ord from geylang , can come back sg ?

[vmtech]

bro so for my case, what would be ur suggestion be to do next? i'm just plannig ahead as she said she want to wait 3 yrs b4 stepping into SG for the 1st time since she orded 2yrs ago.

she already has her int pp and just to recap:

* previously she came sg as CAT40 with thai pp (fake) as she is Shan.
* she has her int pp, her thai pp and her int pp is diff name.

what should i do on her part (as in what shud i ask her for more info) and what can i do on SG side to clarify or enquire.

i'm planning to do this step by step.. no rush @ all.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by vmtech

bro so for my case, what would be ur suggestion be to do next? i'm just plannig ahead as she said she want to wait 3 yrs b4 stepping into SG for the 1st time since she orded 2yrs ago.

she already has her int pp and just to recap:

* previously she came sg as CAT40 with thai pp (fake) as she is Shan.
* she has her int pp, her thai pp and her int pp is diff name.

what should i do on her part (as in what shud i ask her for more info) and what can i do on SG side to clarify or enquire.

i'm planning to do this step by step.. no rush @ all.

My suggestion is
If she is planning to come SG, she should just use her old thai pp. Because by using her int pp, it will show her using 2 passports if they happened to check her thumbprints.

If she come to SG with her old thai pp, ICA will only know she is Cat40 before. ICA will not know her passport is fake. Because she never enter using another identity or passport. U do not need to tell ICA she is Shan or has Int pp.

Wat you can do is maybe when she come down to SG on her first time since her last departure is to come down with her to SG together.

Maybe what you can do is to enquire from ICA that in your girl's instance, ask them will it be possible for your girl to come down to SG for a social visit using her old thai passport. Ask them whether she can come down after 2 years. And of course you do not need to mention she is Shan or has a int pp.

SC

[ansonlky]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

So u are saying she was an FL, got caught, and then became Cat40 for a short while before going back.

The reason you are asking now is because you are also afraid that one day if her luck runs out, she will be caught for false declaration.

So now, you have to ask your girl whether is her name changed officially. If her name is changed officially, get her old name, new name and her IC no, go down ICA building and asked an officer regarding this issue. Try to say that you want to do everything the legal way. Just tell the officer you only want her to come Sg on Social visit pass. Relate the incident to the Officer and try to be a bit more pitiful and sincere.

Remember to get the Officer's name and contact no too. (At least if your girl next time come in SG, can tell the immigration that you have spoken to this officer before)

See what the ICA officer tells you. Normally if they don't allow, they will tell you a straight NO but your girl will not try her luck and will not be arrested too.

If it is a NO, then you try to go for appeals and work ur way 1 step at a time. No point think so far when we wouldn't know the conclusion. This solution is the best solution I can think for you rather than asking you and her to try your luck in trying to go past Immigrations with another identity. Its a very serious offence to do that and can be jailed.

But if you enquire now and declare for her, at most she cannot enter Singapore and no chance for her to be arrested and jailed. Either way you might lose, but you choose the one with lesser risks.

SC

bro,but if i approach the ICA,how should i bring it up,if i tell them she use a diff name to come in with a new passport but never declare its like digging my own grave.no point acting the ppl there are inhuman WAn,they have no qualms in throwing them to jail so there is no room for compassion .sorry for bothering u but u seems experienced have u encounter the same problem?i heard i must get clearance from anti vice first b4 i can actuali apply for her on social visit..there are so many versions alaszz sometimes i realli hope to settle elsewhere wif her,never heard of such stoopid laws b4 in other countries

[vmtech]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

My suggestion is
If she is planning to come SG, she should just use her old thai pp. Because by using her int pp, it will show her using 2 passports if they happened to check her thumbprints.

If she come to SG with her old thai pp, ICA will only know she is Cat40 before. ICA will not know her passport is fake. Because she never enter using another identity or passport. U do not need to tell ICA she is Shan or has Int pp.

Wat you can do is maybe when she come down to SG on her first time since her last departure is to come down with her to SG together.

Maybe what you can do is to enquire from ICA that in your girl's instance, ask them will it be possible for your girl to come down to SG for a social visit using her old thai passport. Ask them whether she can come down after 2 years. And of course you do not need to mention she is Shan or has a int pp.

SC

opps.. forgot to mention she already done away with the thai pp..

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by ansonlky

bro,but if i approach the ICA,how should i bring it up,if i tell them she use a diff name to come in with a new passport but never declare its like digging my own grave.no point acting the ppl there are inhuman WAn,they have no qualms in throwing them to jail so there is no room for compassion .sorry for bothering u but u seems experienced have u encounter the same problem?i heard i must get clearance from anti vice first b4 i can actuali apply for her on social visit..there are so many versions alaszz sometimes i realli hope to settle elsewhere wif her,never heard of such stoopid laws b4 in other countries

Then u tell her to go and officially change her name one more time. So this time she got a new name, take her new name (the officially changed one), plus her old name( the one that she used for her Cat40), then you go and ask the ICA officer regarding this.

Of course, then must never mention that she has come in to SG for the past 3 times using another name.

So its a new name plus the old name and make an enquiry.

I had a friend who worked in ICA before (now quit liao). He did tell me cases like this is on a case to case basis. The rules are there and have to be there. But the reason there is appeals, write-ins shows that they do go on a case-by-case basis.

If u go ask Anti-Vice now, Anti-Vice will tell you go ask ICA. Social visit is given by ICA, so ask the ICA officer about it. Anti-Vice is there for vice purposes. While ICA is for immigration purposes.

The problem here is, if you don't ask ICA about it, you have to always hiong your girl in. Praying that she don't get thumbprint. However, if you ask ICA about this, I think you will feel more assured when your girl comes down to Sg.

Problems are meant to be solved. Not to run away from it, because running away from this problem, the problem still exists.

My rationale here and my best advice is "HONESTY is STILL THE BEST POLICY". You might not get rewarded but you will get penalised severely if you got caught.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by vmtech

opps.. forgot to mention she already done away with the thai pp..

Her passport is myanmese right?

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by ansonlky

no point acting the ppl there are inhuman WAn,they have no qualms in throwing them to jail so there is no room for compassion .sorry for bothering u but u seems experienced have u encounter the same problem?

Immigration issues are very sensitive issues. Not say the ppl are inhuman. They are working for the government. If they anyhow allow offenders to come in, they will lose their job.

Remember that ICA and AV never say that the girl FOREVER cannot step into SG.
The Cat40 girls always tell me that when they go back Thailand and next time want come in SG, they will change name and passport. I was thinking, ICA is not stupid and not kum lan. They have all 10 thumb prints.

No point thinking of stunts to smoke ICA because before we think of 1 move, they already seen all the patterns and anticipate few steps in front of others.

There is a saying, you can do whatever you want, but don't get caught.

Maybe if you talk to a nice and friendly officer from ICA, he may help you. Most of the people do not know the severity of such cases of fake passports and false declaration, that is why they don't go through proper channels. It's only because you heard your girl's friend got caught thats why she and you are both afraid.

If u ask the officer nicely and they refuse her entry, next time go Malaysia. You wouldn't get fined, jailed or marked.

SC

[vmtech]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Her passport is myanmese right?

SC

hi SC yes "Union Of Myanmar"

real pp: myanmar
fako: thai (thrown away)

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by vmtech

hi SC yes "Union Of Myanmar"

real pp: myanmar
fako: thai (thrown away)

Wah ur case very complicated now, especially her thai pp already thrown away.

The only thing I can think of if she wants to come in SG is to hiong, cos no way can declare like the earlier case. (Though I don't advise)

One thing to make sure before you want to hiong is that her name used in the thai pp must be different from the myanmese pp.

From my knowledge, its not easy for myanmese to make a passport and its not many a times myanmese go overseas.

SC

[ansonlky]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Then u tell her to go and officially change her name one more time. So this time she got a new name, take her new name (the officially changed one), plus her old name( the one that she used for her Cat40), then you go and ask the ICA officer regarding this.

Of course, then must never mention that she has come in to SG for the past 3 times using another name.

So its a new name plus the old name and make an enquiry.

I had a friend who worked in ICA before (now quit liao). He did tell me cases like this is on a case to case basis. The rules are there and have to be there. But the reason there is appeals, write-ins shows that they do go on a case-by-case basis.

If u go ask Anti-Vice now, Anti-Vice will tell you go ask ICA. Social visit is given by ICA, so ask the ICA officer about it. Anti-Vice is there for vice purposes. While ICA is for immigration purposes.

The problem here is, if you don't ask ICA about it, you have to always hiong your girl in. Praying that she don't get thumbprint. However, if you ask ICA about this, I think you will feel more assured when your girl comes down to Sg.

Problems are meant to be solved. Not to run away from it, because running away from this problem, the problem still exists.

My rationale here and my best advice is "HONESTY is STILL THE BEST POLICY". You might not get rewarded but you will get penalised severely if you got caught.

SC

bro i got u loud and clear,sorry for constantly pestering u. i am indeed very grateful for your help.watever it is i feel nuting is fool proof or auto guarantee. i seen cases of my frenz who apply and got approval from ica for thier tiraks to come in only to be waylaid at the customs for backdated offences.i really dun trust the authorities here at all once,it was a blessing in disguise one of her gd frenz was arrested if not i would still be smuggling her in, i dunno for the past 3 times was it realli what she proclaim as *black magic* helping her to screen thru or juz pure luck but for the time being i was risk her freedom by bring her in.it has been a year since she was here.lifes goes on....as for the name change part again i realli got to persuade her again to do it but she seems reluctant as its very troublesome on their side too.when u r free maybe we have a cup of coffe for lending your expertise...

[ansonlky]

Originally Posted by vmtech

hi SC yes "Union Of Myanmar"

real pp: myanmar
fako: thai (thrown away)

bro i advise u to stay put for the time being coz she is consider a stateless person in thailand wif juz a certificate of identity.it is very complex to get her in.and during custom clearance she has really got to groom herself well and speak english and be confident.do u know for the previous 3 times i smuggle my ger in i cant sleep for several nights...its very nerve wrecking the critial part is at the gantry point u know how those bastards immigration official torment thai ppl esp when they see your passport they ask all sorts of stupid questions and make them confuse.why not u be like me and fly back abt once a mth to see her at least there is no risk element..my fren is having mental problem now coz his tiral is being throw inside for 2 yrs due to his carelessness of bring her to jb for shopping.its too heavy a price to pay for..

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by ansonlky

bro i got u loud and clear,sorry for constantly pestering u. i am indeed very grateful for your help.watever it is i feel nuting is fool proof or auto guarantee. i seen cases of my frenz who apply and got approval from ica for thier tiraks to come in only to be waylaid at the customs for backdated offences.i really dun trust the authorities here at all once,it was a blessing in disguise one of her gd frenz was arrested if not i would still be smuggling her in..

Nothing is foolproof or guarantee. But 2 solutions here. Either continue to hiong or to ask ICA for solution.

The 1st part u have already done it before and now you want to do it the proper way. I believed some of your friends cases are because they hiong a few times and eventually they come in, they never 'clean up' their tracks.

That is reason why I advised you since she has changed her name once, just advised her to change it another time officially. Persuading your girl is easy, just throw in some scare tactics and she will go change her name.

Work or don't work this method I don't know, cos I never try before. But I can tell you if you ask already and she is allowed to come, its better than playing hide and seek.

Your girl from Maesai so she is from Myanmar or Thailand?

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by ansonlky

its very nerve wrecking the critial part is at the gantry point u know how those bastards immigration official torment thai ppl esp when they see your passport they ask all sorts of stupid questions and make them confuse.why not u be like me and fly back abt once a mth to see her at least there is no risk element..my fren is having mental problem now coz his tiral is being throw inside for 2 yrs due to his carelessness of bring her to jb for shopping.its too heavy a price to pay for..

Maybe should come in together with the girl. Hold hands, stay close and go to the counter with both passports. If there is any questions, at least can help answer. And also with the presence of you, even they suspect, they will take down your name as sponsor. As long as no illegal things are done in SG, they wouldn't trouble you.

SC

[ansonlky]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Nothing is foolproof or guarantee. But 2 solutions here. Either continue to hiong or to ask ICA for solution.

The 1st part u have already done it before and now you want to do it the proper way. I believed some of your friends cases are because they hiong a few times and eventually they come in, they never 'clean up' their tracks.

That is reason why I advised you since she has changed her name once, just advised her to change it another time officially. Persuading your girl is easy, just throw in some scare tactics and she will go change her name.

Work or don't work this method I don't know, cos I never try before. But I can tell you if you ask already and she is allowed to come, its better than playing hide and seek.

Your girl from Maesai so she is from Myanmar or Thailand?

SC

bro SC,actually never wanted to put her at risk in the first place,i din know the severity of the case till there is a victim.haizz...if only u were in my shoe.u seems to be a guru here.have this happens to u before?my girl is an ethnic thai, i dink the previous time she can get in its due to her looks but i know she wont be lucky the next time round i see what i can do when i visit her during loi krathong next mouth,maybe get registered over at bkk first.if all avenues is exhausted i dink i spend my next half of my remaining years as a farmer planting poppy seeds art the border.see u there then keke. recently just walk past the house she used to work in.sense of nostalgia inside me.fark lah of all gers why i choose such ppl.this is fated.hope u wun end up like me.

[ansonlky]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Maybe should come in together with the girl. Hold hands, stay close and go to the counter with both passports. If there is any questions, at least can help answer. And also with the presence of you, even they suspect, they will take down your name as sponsor. As long as no illegal things are done in SG, they wouldn't trouble you.

SC

dun agree with u wor bro.u dink ppl like them give a damn even if u bring thaksin to accompany her as long she is being discover they send her straight to jail knn if money helps i would have bribe the custom farkers.hope one day their daughter or wife work overseas and encounter such problem.life is never fair. last time got to pay money to okt to see her,now got to be subjected to immigration approval b4 i can bring her here.dunno wats nexts.so much red tape in this society.hopefully a military coup is stage here and we can overthrow them...