To stay in or out of a relationship with a KTV gal

[colins]

Originally Posted by EtherC

Wah Bro Colin's can write thesis on analytical psychology liao.

Can't compare with your thesis bro.

[DTCEPL]

Wow SBF got so many thesis writers and PhD holders.....really got eye don't recognise taizan

Actually I am very surprise and happy to see so many helpful Bros in SBF......too bad I am only capable of Kpo...ing around.....can't help much.

[slider_72]

Originally Posted by cablesnwires

Maybe she is just jealous? That was probably the WL way of talking, and hopefully after this pent up feeling released, she will revert back to the R/S?

What I meant to ask was whether he paid her money. In his earlier posts, it suggests that he didn't pay her a single cent. She didn't even accept his tips. In his last post, he said that she complained that he tipped her miserably, meaning that he gave her money after bonking but just a little compared with what he gave to other girls after bonking them.

So TS, were the bonks paid for or not? You can call it tips, service charge, family expense, whatever but end of the day, were the bonks really FOC?

[FromBoy2Man]

Some kaikis told me ktv girls also prostitute? I bet to differ because i went to some ktv, the prc girls there totally cannot autoroam, just sit, drink, play dice and hug only, worst can't even touch or see their nipple. Although not fun but really enjoy the company of pretty faces. I have came across some marry ktv girl, happily together.

[Fatjumbo]

Originally Posted by slider_72

What I meant to ask was whether he paid her money. In his earlier posts, it suggests that he didn't pay her a single cent. She didn't even accept his tips. In his last post, he said that she complained that he tipped her miserably, meaning that he gave her money after bonking but just a little compared with what he gave to other girls after bonking them.

So TS, were the bonks paid for or not? You can call it tips, service charge, family expense, whatever but end of the day, were the bonks really FOC?

Bro slider,

Bonking initially before we got together I pay her market rate lah. After getting together.... it's so far FOC and she doesn't want to take money from me.

Hope this helps to clarify the open loop.

[Fatjumbo]

Hello Bro Colins,

Thanks for the long evaluation. Appreciate it.

There is a reason for everything. You've got to ask yourself why she choose this topic. It is quite simple. It is to set the discussion by stating her position and she has determined YOUR position in discussion as well. So if you continue without arguing this position of yours, you have relinguished control.

I think I know why she brought up that topic for sure. Cos she felt I am the smart one while she being the koondo to fall for me yet never ask for more like her comtemporary who also have BFs as support.

>>This is drawing you towards a direction that she wants you to go. This is the 'pull'. Remember, she is manipulating you, so she has to 'convince' you that a certain outcome is good for you and her at the end of that discussion.

Well, I know myself this will never be a good ending eventually. It's just a buy time and enjoy the present stage kind of experience. Thanks for the constant reminder on these WL's tatics to make us sg men KC to them.

>>Again, manipulation. She has used the 'tear card' on you, you say that happens in a car, that means going home, so she knew that she had to do her summary liao. The tears force you to make a final move, comfort her or reject her. I am quite sure all along in the discussion, you were quite defensive on her series of 'accusations', in that you lost a lot of ground. This final move will seal your position in the game. You did not write down what you say or promised to her when you comfort and hug her, but then thats typical cos you tend to leave this things out in your posts. Just compare your state before this date and after this date, you can see the difference in your position. You will see that you are actually quite disadvantaged now, and the earlier bf-gf relationship has been changed.

Yes i comforted her, but all I said was to leave it to fate. No point crying over any unachievable outcomes. The only possibility exists between her and me is just like other normal BF/GF relationship which can split up anytime, anywhere, god knows when. Actually in comparison, she is still the same...lack of confidence,and trust, felt jealous easily. Keep thinking other gals come along, she will lose me for sure.

>>Immaterial. It is only one of her tactics for you to give ground. Remember that when she say something which you think is unreasonable, and at that point of time you never rebutt it, that means you allowed it. To hold your position, you must close any of such unreasonable topics there and then, preferably give her a verbal slap so she knows she can't do this again. So now you see, you focus on 'why all gals love to compare' instead of how you reacted to her at that time. Shows you were confused and that makes you lose more ground.

I did rebutt her, saying her tip comparing to other gals I bonk was very wrong !!! That was all in the past when I have not gone steady with her yet...just as a client and KTV gal relationship. How can she use that against me to bring up this issue to illustrate tat I love the other gals more by tipping them higher. I told her if the gal service is top notch, I tip higher, if normal sop ...I tip market rate...it's a fact of life everywhere in the world.

I also mentioned to her that she is very fortunate that I have toned down totally to the extend I have even stopped seeing other KTV gals and also refused to order Freelance gals for bonks.

Hope this clears some doubts about the evaluation

[Steadyman1]

Have yet fully read through your thread however have a word for you.

"Determination"

[colins]

Originally Posted by Fatjumbo

Hello Bro Colins,

Thanks for the long evaluation. Appreciate it.

I think I know why she brought up that topic for sure. Cos she felt I am the smart one while she being the koondo to fall for me yet never ask for more like her comtemporary who also have BFs as support.

Well, I know myself this will never be a good ending eventually. It's just a buy time and enjoy the present stage kind of experience. Thanks for the constant reminder on these WL's tatics to make us sg men KC to them.

Yes i comforted her, but all I said was to leave it to fate. No point crying over any unachievable outcomes. The only possibility exists between her and me is just like other normal BF/GF relationship which can split up anytime, anywhere, god knows when. Actually in comparison, she is still the same...lack of confidence,and trust, felt jealous easily. Keep thinking other gals come along, she will lose me for sure.

I did rebutt her, saying her tip comparing to other gals I bonk was very wrong !!! That was all in the past when I have not gone steady with her yet...just as a client and KTV gal relationship. How can she use that against me to bring up this issue to illustrate tat I love the other gals more by tipping them higher. I told her if the gal service is top notch, I tip higher, if normal sop ...I tip market rate...it's a fact of life everywhere in the world.

I also mentioned to her that she is very fortunate that I have toned down totally to the extend I have even stopped seeing other KTV gals and also refused to order Freelance gals for bonks.

Hope this clears some doubts about the evaluation

Good, that clears a few things somewhat. Just keep your stance cos she will still be testing it, consistently everyday. Eventually she will drop key words and obvious hints. At this moment, I dun see any evidence of you KC-ing her, so it shows that she is using the old school wrap-herself-around-you tactics. So far she has already won first round (which is the most significant round in this tactic) becos you din reject her at all to go with this bf-gf relationship. This first round puts her within your gates and gave her a lot of room to manoeuvre. You will have to be constantly on your guard until you evict her. So the longer she stays in, the harder it is to evict.

By the way, many players still use this same tactic to get their girls becos first, they have to accept the man into their gates (otherwise no chance of earning anything from him), second, she won't evict the man unless she cannot take the pressure, again becos of the promise of monetary gains. So the man will have his field day in 'attacking' the girl whilst in her gate, pressurising and pampering her into submission. Thats when everything she owns becomes his.

You are now in the weaker position, you can already see that you have became much more defensive as she pressurised you and make you pity her. But then there are also many ways to counter this tactic even while she is within your gates. If you think its worth your time and effort, let me know. Otherwise, evict her now.

[DTCEPL]

Bro Colins.....your advices sounds so Professional and Comprehensive, analyzing situation in such details.....I am very curious.....are u a Love Doc or what???

But is nice to have you around to guide fellow Bros, avoiding the KC trap.

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by DTCEPL

Bro Colins.....your advices sounds so Professional and Comprehensive, analyzing situation in such details.....I am very curious.....are u a Love Doc or what???

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"Advice" is like "Rice". You say... "Please pass me the Rice." You don't say "Please pass me the rices" because "Rice", like "Advice", is a non countable noun.

There are many other examples. To test your knowledge of non countable nouns, go to English Language Quiz - Countable or Non-countable Nouns (I-TESL-J) and take the test.

[DTCEPL]

Kam Sia Boss......Morning already correcting gramma errors.......I England no good, paiseh paiseh.

Should have listened to my Parents and study hard when I am young.

[Fatjumbo]

Bro Steadyman1,

cool !! thanks for reminder for u know lah. Catch up real soon.

Bro iijeetpoon,

Thanks. Really enjoy yr quote of don't describe it... just live it !!! Power !!

[Fatjumbo]

Hi Bro FromBoy2Man,

That's becos you went to the high end KTVs liao. You must be very well-to do.

Although the gals or KTV management team don allow any hanky panky stuff to be conducted within their premises. You can offer your amount to bao the gals out mah. As long your price quote matches or exceed the gals' expectation plus got chemistry with you. Sure to go unless some of them already have a "hubby" behind them taking care of them !!!

Enjoy the life bro.

[Fatjumbo]

Morning bro Colins,

>>Good, that clears a few things somewhat. Just keep your stance cos she will still be testing it, consistently everyday. Eventually she will drop key words and obvious hints. At this moment, I dun see any evidence of you KC-ing her, so it shows that she is using the old school wrap-herself-around-you tactics. So far she has already won first round (which is the most significant round in this tactic) becos you din reject her at all to go with this bf-gf relationship. This first round puts her within your gates and gave her a lot of room to manoeuvre. You will have to be constantly on your guard until you evict her. So the longer she stays in, the harder it is to evict.

haha.... I did reject initially saying I prefer the client/gal relationship. In tat way, I could enjoy her companionship anytime too by a phone call away while having the freedom to autoroam freelance bonks and best of all, I don have to even pay for her accomodation ( No reason to as a regular client ). I guess her GFE is so similar to my ex many years back that it relighted back fond memories of tat feeling. Hence, I agreed to be BF but ....limited funds from me avail and not to cross any firing line zone. She will be dumped as I am not carrotcake. Take it or leave it i told her.

But u are darn right about allowing her into my gates....she knew that I have plenty of time free to be with her and hence requesting for daily meet up. I am also constantly on my guard cos even though I like her quite alot. We will never know what sort of KC training she receives from her flatmates after she got back !!!

Their ultimate objective will still eventually be either money or someone to hook up to get a better life in Singapore ( to be wife or mistress here ).

Well I guess if u put it tat way, most of us guys are players here too. We all jolly well know there will most likely no good end to be with a WL gal especially for married personnel here. Single and lonely bachelors still have plenty of good chance to scout for the GEM.

>>You are now in the weaker position, you can already see that you have became much more defensive as she pressurised you and make you pity her. But then there are also many ways to counter this tactic even while she is within your gates. If you think its worth your time and effort, let me know. Otherwise, evict her now.[/QUOTE]

Worth my time...I have plenty of it. Only enjoy the GFE, companionship and present FOC bonking ( wonder when I will get tired of same old fried rice )....but when I am working....she's evicted from my life that's for sure.

Have a great day ahead

Jumbo

[Steadyman1]

Originally Posted by iijeetpoon

Cheeers bro......

Thanks.....