woes of a tirak

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

So how you retired entirely from commercial sex? ..SC

very much so i reckon. the only reason i go is to see my babe, do wat couples do with watever amount of time i buy, run little errands for her- just to see her face etc. dun matter anymore if she's having big aunt/on MC...still am willing to part w yusof ishaak to spend those little moments w her.

wats quantifiable may not necessary be qualifiable, wats qualifiable supercedes wats quantifiable.

n no, i'm not a monk. n i will continue to have my circle/pool of puyings, be it peurn sa-neet/ norng-sao. even marriage cant restrict nor prevent 1 from knowing a person fo the opposite gender, wat more in a TRCR.

wats left for me now is to assess my TRCR track & fine tune the issues b4 i go full steam ahead. n when the engine starts.. it shall be a 1 way ticket to the blessed highlands of isaan...hopefully nt having to return & get caught up in our circle line again lol.

[siamcutey]

Your writing has become more and more like Khun Free.

hahaha
SC

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Your writing has become more and more like Khun Free. hahaha SC

look, i dun care who i sound like, who echo who or watever the issue seems to u. all that really matters, is i remain true to my feelings n wat goes on w my gal.

no need for me to boast too much details about wat goes on between my gal n i...n if i must, i'd summaraize it all as: i've tried hard enough to impress upon her...demonstrating my undying luv despite the odds, n have also displayed my eagerness/willingness to adapt to the thai culture.

some of u might think i'm siao n silly for going the extra mile...bt quite honestly, this is nothing when u're already looking at the yrs & decades beyond her ORD. and i dare say, its gonna require even more when over there. bcos if incapable of adaptation, then its makes us no different from those farangs who know nuts about the thai mentality & actions. hence resulting in irreconcileable differences n file for divorce-abandoning the wife & kids.

i think alot here dun understand that in everythign that we do, it takes 2 hands to clap, bt many r just waiting n waiting n failing to initiate. sure there're those that have claimed to be tiraks, bt in fact, the whole fantasy is staged n created & carried out all by himself. failure to try hard enough has also resulted in the TG's choice for someone else over the willing party...then at the end of the day, the sad fuck being rejected claims that he's poisoned & dumped...when in fact there's no spark nor chemistry that struck off since the beginning.

this explains y a WL'd be accomodating n all, cos to her...this chap aint no different from just another walk-in/regular. n she'd very much just be nodding her head & going uh-ha uh-ha to please him. she wouldnt even be bothered to whisper the slightest updates of things ongoing in her home, nor explain the differences to u just so u can understand. dun be mistaken...even if she's interactive n conversational...1 could very much just be her peurn/peurn sa-neet only.

how do i know...? i've been so regular at my gal's hse (coming close to a yr), n i've seeen n heard so much from her: about which losers r vying for her colleague, which 1's the real tirak to her colleague, which 1's walking atm, which 1's blacklisted already n getting ill-treated by the rest of the gals when he try to butterfly bonk them etc.

at the end of the day, if choose to pick wild roses-be prepared to get pricks & thorns. if prepared to walk the fields bare feet-be prepared for stings & stones. if prepared to brave the storms-be prepared for capsize & hypothermia. ultimately its just a choice, so dont go sulking just cos things didnt work out ur way... cos nothing in life really happens our way.

[free]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Your writing has become more and more like Khun Free.
hahaha
SC

คุณ แซมคิวติครับ คุณสบายดีไหม

Come to think of it. The TGs I am involved with today, either as my sut-tirak or a TG I know on the internet (with whom I see live on webcam, call and interact or those I know only by the words she type) gave me a certain perpective.

And then I had another yet perpective from those I had met in the past (and still a couple at present) who had a one time or other do not have much of a choice but to sell their bodies to meet some needs which to you, are probably superficial needs (cos your basic needs in Maslow's hierarachy of needs have been satisfied) but they are nevertheless deemed by these women to be critical needs of their loved ones. One can argue that everybody had a choice. Sure they do, if they can bear to see their loved ones suffer. Else they have what is known as is a Hobson's choice (only one realistic choice). Have you ever been there? Can u feel their pain? Or do u choose to turn a blind eye and deaf ear, since the pain is not yours to bear?

Before we go further, I want to qualify that there are of course those who really go all out to cheat and con (like yr famous Joy of Private Dancer fame) - these, I have met too and perhaps I am plain lucky as not only are they easily recognizable, they are also in the minority. But here, I am refering to the category of gals in the sex trade who did it to meet the needs of people she value more than herself. Her Buddhist and Thai upbringing have caused her to value some things much more and otherss less than we do. Thus, unless we go thru what they did, who are we to judge/condemn as evil or stupid? How many of us go thru the indoctrination they did (even though we call ourselves Buddhists)? I see myself as no better than them, if not worse if I judge them w/o a full understanding of their plight and condition.

If a University graduate in Thailand starts work only as (real-life example) a bank teller (where an O-level will suffice in SG) or worse as a factory operator, what chance has an poor country gal with little or no school qualification? The one Thai Uni gal I loved (and still do) started work recently as a lowly official in a Japanese company based upcountry, far away from her loved ones, and yet her 1st paycheck already exceeds that of her parent's combined income. But the sacrifice she had to make during the 2 weeks of her life in SG to pay for her Uni fees has left an undeletable mark in her life/spirit which has to a certain destroyed her future. 2.5 years later, that wound of shame and fear has not left her. Till this day, she is still terrified that someone might tell her parents, and she will live in fear forever. She can't even devote herself to a BGR in a deep manner cos of what happened 2.5 years ago. You have no idea how baffled her parents are, when they see their beautiful daughter (yes she is most beautiful of all the TGs I have dated & loved) not developing an interest to consider marriage even after she had attained her University goals. Her parents (as her dad told me) wanted us to be together more than she seemed to, but they do not know the deep pains trapped within her heart. Can you even remotely feel their pain, and her pain? Would u lump her with those cheaters who acted like the infamous Joy? Surely not!

I am not here to outright disagree with you simply for the sake of it, for what you said is from your perspective, given what I deemed, is your limited exposure but repeated many times over cos you seem to have a habit of swimming in the same pond. I do empathize with you and never once thought you are lying, for I believe your experience is true as I had observed that those gals u described do really exist, and in quantities too, if one knows where to find them and you obviously do. Hats off to you,

I am only here to tell our fellow humans that there is really another side of the coin as well, and even within a flock of birds with the same feathers (WLs/FLs, etc), there are different shades of colors represent a whole spectrum of situations and behaviours. All I ask is that if we must like a TG (hopefully just one or at least one at a time), enough to desire something more with them , please give her a chance to represent herself in your mind's "court of law". Treat each as an individual in her own right, given her own situation. Please do your homework and do find out about the validity of her situation (will take time and money, sorry).

And if she is a WL/FL when you met her, for heaven's sake do not self-con and blame the poor TG who is simply giving u what you are seeking - that gf feeling. That makes u a loser, not her. After watching that self-taken video clip of how a cheongster "infected" himself with infactuation and actually was convincing/talking to himself but tot he was talking with her, that the TG loves him in return (or at least want to do so). When all she did was to answer him gently (definitely not lovingly) as he was her customer. If you read "jokes" about women where "Yes" means "No" what can an "Ah Huh" mean? Mostly like not "Yes" right? But this guy was taking it to be a very postive "Yes"! He was deceiving himself, not that the WL was cheating him or even playing KC on him. Check yourself, are you one of those like him? If so, please wake up!

The best part of it all, after listening to the conversation, I took a better look at the video. Goodness gracious! I knew both of them! She was a newbie when I retired from GL40 (and she is now approaching ORD!) and he is a guy who sold food at some place I cannot remember, and I was his customer at one point. I remembered his unique looks which inerestingly matched the nickname he used to address himself when talking to this WL.

Small world indeed, enjoy it
รักษาสุขภาพด้วยนะครับ

[free]

I had beeb chatting with an attractive 31-yr old professional (let's call her "O") from BKK for some time. She is one of the few on Yahoo instead of MSN, cos she wasn't keen on the frills that MSN provides and prefers the no-nonsense approach of Yahoo. Just like I prefer Yahoo Messenger for work. It does indicate the sort of woman she is - one who knows what she wanted in her life. With this thai woman, the tables are turned - her solid command of English allowed us to discuss a variety of topics, all in English.

Yesterday, we touched on (incidentally) the subject of WLs. Such a topic is sort of taboo amongst her circle of friends, so O does not know much about nor have connections with these gals and initially she had a very distasteful perception of them. Along the way, I told O about the other side of the story, about the Uni gal I had loved, and also about the other side of the coin - I shared about someone similar to Joy of Private Dancer fame. This Joy she knows for that is the perception that is prevalent in her circles.

As I shared regardig my Uni gal O broke down and cried, much to my surprise. Upon clarification,. O confessed that she had never tot much nor understood the plight of these gals, let alone know their pains from an inside story. Suddenly she felt ashamed of herself, cos she realised that while her parents are not rich (she too has never been our of thailand for a holiday), she had never lack essentials and had never imagined what it would be like to have no money to go to school. She had complained lots about her parents and taken them for granted. She thanked me for giving her a perspective of life she had only vaguely read about but never really known nor understood.

And for the 1st time since we started chatting, she "chased" me away when I had to stop chatting to help my old mum with some chores. Something made made me believe that her parents are going to have a special treatment from her last night. I shall find out on Monday.

So if anyone is in a situation to consider knowing a TG better (however you met), be aware that there are 2 sides to the coin. Take pains not to self-con though. And if a Thai woman who has always despised one side of it all her life now learns to see the other side, so must we.

[OceanEleven]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

On 1 overnight months back, I was "invited" to a birthday party.
The birthday happened to be one of the girl's tirak. The girl was celebrating for him. And 1 month later I saw another guy during one of the overnights with this girl and happened to be another tirak of this girl.
Just 1 month before the girl ORD, I saw her taking intimate pictures with another tirak and she even said this is the boyfriend. What happened to the last few when she said those are her boyfriends too? And the shocking thing is she told me she is going back to thailand to get married to her boyfriend of singapore. Makes me wonder which one she is talking about. And the best part is the 3 of them don't know the existence of each other.
SC

Does this really matter? I believe there is no right or wrong in this matter. If with our $40, we get to choose, so can the gal as well. What difference would it make if she is just a normal gal with many guys vying for her attention? The best man wins at the end of the day. The only difference is that she is a WL and deem as heartless, money grabber, and KC player in the eyes of most but please do understand she is all but flesh and blood and ain’t that senseless to chase away a good and caring man.

[free]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

If you have nothing to be afraid of, what's 1 test or numerous test?

Precisely. So what's the problem? I didn't pass my tirak's tests with 100% score and neither did she passed mine with the same. But we went the extra mile to explain the issues in our hearts to each other and discuss what we can do together to help each other be a better person for the other. And for those who vehemently disagree with my view that oneshould try to learn thai to a point where conversation on a whole range of topics and a full gamut of emotions, how can 2 get really close emotionally and mentally? Unless her pasar angrit is also powderful. Why?

• Cos a love relatiionship is a partnership, not a competition of man versus woman! It is definitely not a game.
• Cos we wanted to help each other to pass our tests, not set the other up for failure.
• Cos our innermost desire is to live happily together as best as we can, not whack each other black and blue.

What is your desire with your tirak TODAY? If it is to whack each other, should u even be tiraks in the 1st place? Think about that!

Originally Posted by siamcutey

When warnings are set up, drivers slow down. But if there aren't any measures in place, you think they slow down?

I dun know about other drivers. I may exceed the speed limit, but never to a point where I know I can no longer control my old banger. Cos I care for my life and the lifes of those in my vehicle. Just as important, I care about those who loved me and/or depend on me, and how sad they would be and how they would have to sufffer if I am gone or worse, physically dependent on them.

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Why not see their real self or are we so afraid to know the truth?
SC

My friend, it is when one can and dare to see their real self and know the real truth that one can decide how onto best respond to them, without having to be afraid..... u might want to meditate on this point.

[free]

Originally Posted by zunbo

Giving my gal a future is something every guy will want to do for his gal Just that when the situation can be rather Grey.... Then i think it is better for me to commit yet not fully given my heart. Cos i scare i be too emtional to handle another breakup.

Zunbo,
What is "THE FUTURE", really? The future is to be built not by you alone, but with the person whom you chose, even as she chooses you. If all she wants to do is to sit back while you build her future, she is probably a wrong choice, cos she is not in partnership with you.

I quote Bro Hitman once again, when he shared this profound thoughts with me a year ago.

Originally Posted by Hitman, 13-06-2003

Bro Free, although I do not know you, but I want you to know that you have my blessings and best wishes..... here's a quote I'd like to share with you and brothers here...

The future is not a result of choices among alternative paths offered by the present, but a place that is created--created first in the mind and will, created next in activity. The future is not some place we are going to, but one we are creating. The paths are not to be found, but made, and the activity of making them, changes both the maker and the destination. - - John Schaar

Persevere when you've found true love, and there will be light at the end of the tunnel...

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by sex maniac

free and suteerak1099. Both of you talk cock very good and super long winded.

SM, u dun even know where u stand in your gals heart, u dun even make the effort or pt to learn n unlearn wat warped perspectives u've had/being influenced to think so in the past. got the cheek to past meaningless mundane comments.

**u dun even know who u really r: by coming up w 2 or more nicks/identities to script-write, direct & act ur own sad fuck story. then view it from ur own biased perspective & give urself a standing ovasion & credentials lol.

as i used to say it in the past, i empathize n took pity on u for we were at 1 pt in time suffering from the nausiation TRCR as i did. bt ever since u started to contradict urself... started to sway like the lalang in the SAF playground...indecisive n didnt even know wat u wanted, n much less to say couldnt give a damn as to how/what u can offer to ur gal. the ai mai ai mai half past 6 attitude..

i only could pity u, n in most cases even felt like peeing on u. maybe u got a fetish for golden shower???

[free]

Originally Posted by sex maniac

free and suteerak1099. Both of you talk cock very good and super long winded.

well even though he and I are of 2 different worlds (at least at this moment), I think we can at least help to throw a balance on what had been a one-sided boxing match with a punching bag. As for u.... suffice to say that I've got nothing to say. U know in your own heart where u stand in the midst of others.

[free]

Originally Posted by sex maniac

knn if people say eat faeces. you will also follow suit?

I tot you were bad, tsk tsk, but I never knew you were that bad! Wondered if u could be a fool, now I know u really are a fool.

Cannot even understand some simple but profound statements by a kind and wise brother? I had know all along you cannot read between the lines, now to my horror, I just realised you can't even read!

Poor kid,
mai dtong rong hai na, diow diow pii ja seuu i-dtim hai ter gin gor dai laew na...

Oei, Hitman, you say wise words, got some clown here say you "pang sai"!

ทารกนี้เยียวยาไม่ไดตลอดจริงๆเลย
taa rók née yieow-yaa mâi dai dtà-lòt jing-jing leuuy
Gina-kiaBo Yio Kiu Liao (hokkien)

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by sex maniac

haha to me you are another sucker being played afool by a WL. wake up!

SM, i dun blame u for feeling sore, cos u're simply nt ready for tirakship. that being said, bcos ure mentally, physically, emotionally & financially nt prepared to luv, i strongly suggest u to abstain from visiting GL (for ur own sanity sake), stay home stare at ishaak's face n jerk off like a deserving jerk u've been, u r n most likely u will ever be.

since ur primary concern is just to butterfly, have a gd time in GL, spill some semen... no pt for u to even be mentioning/harbor thoughts anywhere remotely close to the words: KC, gf feelings, tirakship etc

ur shallow hull for a skull suffice to tell the world...u're the real ULTIMATE SUCKER.

even if there should be some life-changing experiences between me n my gal in the next lap n things dont follow-through, i'm incapable of ever degrading myself to ur miserly level to; script-write, direct, act, audit & applaud your pitiful self for the sorry state u're in, in attempt to draw some sympathy from others n go round begging for pts.

no need to clarify, bt we're all quite clear here about who's the 1 that's still sound asleep wetting his bed in the midst of his wetdreams & enactment w his fantasy dreamgirl-ruhua from jackie's variety show.

[Garage1]

suteerak, if u wish to know more and whats it like in issan, u may wish to PM
cheerios!!!!!

[suteerak1099]

to SM in particular,

if u wanna play then dont cry, if u wanna cry.. then dont play. i started this thread as a source/avenue for those who got pricked n in dilema of whether to shed tears or not. those who've wepted n dried their tears have moved on, those who've nt, r preparing their tissue papers on standby.

as far as i'm concerned, u'ev been pricked, cried, dried ur tears... seeing no one's concerned for u anymore.. start crying again for attention, then tears dried... replenish water n continue crying over nothing.

those that cry over spilt milk still had some reason, n deserved some soothing & encouragement. they licked their battle wounds, moved on n learnt from mistake. at least in hope that they bcome better men, n that the 1 they love will demonstrate the equivalent or more in return.

as for u...? go get some TLC from ur mom, try n suckle abit, cos i think u're probably quite deprived of that kinda tender loving affection/attention. i'm certain u cant find that sorta luv in the streets of GL.

maybe if ur pocket deep enuff, can go try the cat80 or 150 n then u'd be tearing semen instead.

[free]

Originally Posted by sex maniac

you and your long winded bullshit again. save it for your WL friends and quit polluting your fantasy nonsense in this forum.

and also stop pretending you are a thai by typing so much thai script. what an idiotic thai wannabe. haha.

Gina-Kia dun cry na, pii will buy ice-cream for u okay? I write thai using pasar angrit u also cannot understand, u wanna talk about tirak?

I dun need to be a thai. I only learning thai for my own benefit, not yours. Those willing learn with me are welcomed. If u wanna come, erh.... let me think about it.

U cannot understand its ur problem, not mine. Wasn't meant for u to read anyway, cos u have shown that u can't