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[KingEros]

Originally Posted by Xgenre

Souness is the worst manager in our recent history.
Did I remember wrongly?

Originally Posted by KLKOOL

I agree wholeheartedly... and he was the worst manager at the most important transition period to the Premiership. Almost all our failings can be traced back to his tenure as manager...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

in my humble opinion, u remembered wrongly... cos souness is the worst manager in the entire history of liverpool!!! kekeke...

Originally Posted by mahalosux

souness is definitely one of the worse manager (though he was a decent player) i ever seen..

May I humbly ask what was LFC's status just prior to Souness' appointment as the manager?? Yes, the very predecessor who chose to walk out of the club ... you guys dun remember at all??
You mean you guys dun remember his predecessor squeezing the last ounces from the retiring Barnes & Aldridge etc, without preparing the next wave of youngsters to even take over at all??
Sure, Souness may not be the best manager around ... but dun put the full blame on him when he was doing his best to clean up the mess left behind by this other biggest name in Anfield history!!!

PS: This same prick did the same to Blackburn ... sign big names on big money to win a title, before walking out of the club when he felt his chances were not that good anymore.

[blackdevil]

Originally Posted by KingEros

May I humbly ask what was LFC's status just prior to Souness' appointment as the manager?? Yes, the very predecessor who chose to walk out of the club ... you guys dun remember at all??
You mean you guys dun remember his predecessor squeezing the last ounces from the retiring Barnes & Aldridge etc, without preparing the next wave of youngsters to even take over at all??
Sure, Souness may not be the best manager around ... but dun put the full blame on him when he was doing his best to clean up the mess left behind by this other biggest name in Anfield history!!!

PS: This same prick did the same to Blackburn ... sign big names on big money to win a title, before walking out of the club when he felt his chances were not that good anymore.

I have also had a grudge against Kenny for leaving so abruptly. Recall stress was the reason. Great player he was, but a manager...jury's still out on that even though he brought the Double in that one season (if my failing memory serves me right).

[mahalosux]

Originally Posted by KingEros

May I humbly ask what was LFC's status just prior to Souness' appointment as the manager?? Yes, the very predecessor who chose to walk out of the club ... you guys dun remember at all??
You mean you guys dun remember his predecessor squeezing the last ounces from the retiring Barnes & Aldridge etc, without preparing the next wave of youngsters to even take over at all??
Sure, Souness may not be the best manager around ... but dun put the full blame on him when he was doing his best to clean up the mess left behind by this other biggest name in Anfield history!!!

PS: This same prick did the same to Blackburn ... sign big names on big money to win a title, before walking out of the club when he felt his chances were not that good anymore.

bro...i know and understand where u coming from..to be frank...i was not there during the era of kenny and definitely..it will be unfair for me to make any comment about him..but what i do know..is he walk out of Pool..when he was doing resonably well...

Souness was signed with reputation of being a good player..and leading Rangers (if I m correct) to 3 scottish titles..surely..there must be huge expectation from every single fans for him to do well... instead..he was remember for being the manager who started the drought of the 17 years winless streak for the domestic league title.. thus eventually becoming the scapegoat of the failure..comparing his performance with all his preceding managers..off course it will be tempting for all Pool fans to draw comparison (Which to a certain extent, maybe an unfair comparison )...

[rahl]

Originally Posted by KingEros

May I humbly ask what was LFC's status just prior to Souness' appointment as the manager?? Yes, the very predecessor who chose to walk out of the club ... you guys dun remember at all??
You mean you guys dun remember his predecessor squeezing the last ounces from the retiring Barnes & Aldridge etc, without preparing the next wave of youngsters to even take over at all??
Sure, Souness may not be the best manager around ... but dun put the full blame on him when he was doing his best to clean up the mess left behind by this other biggest name in Anfield history!!!

Heheh, I knew you'd wade in. Fair enough, Pool was reaching the end of an era anyway under Kenny. But I don't think anyone other than Souness would have made the transition any harder. He signed some really poor players and has been discussed, sold off others. But I think his greatest failure was the inability to win the backing of everyone in footie - fans, players and senior management.

[Xgenre]

Originally Posted by KingEros

May I humbly ask what was LFC's status just prior to Souness' appointment as the manager?? Yes, the very predecessor who chose to walk out of the club ... you guys dun remember at all??
You mean you guys dun remember his predecessor squeezing the last ounces from the retiring Barnes & Aldridge etc, without preparing the next wave of youngsters to even take over at all??

From Wikipedia: John Charles Bryan Barnes (born November 7, 1963 in Kingston, Jamaica) was a hugely successful and well known Jamaican-born English football player of the 1980s and 1990s with both Watford and Liverpool, and was once the manager of Celtic.

If you are taking about Kenny Dalglish, I don't agree with your comments on the retiring Barnes. Barnes was at his prime years when Dalglish was manager. Dalglish did prepare for the next wave of youngsters. He signed Jamie Redknapp.

The problem then was Liverpool likes to promote one of their own to be the manager. Must be family member then can be Liverpool manager. Think Paisley, Evans, Dalglish, Souness, Thompson. Dalglish was probably too young to be manager. Without any previous coaching experience, he will surely feel stressed taking over the No 1 club then in England.

[rahl]

Originally Posted by Xgenre

From Wikipedia: John Charles Bryan Barnes (born November 7, 1963 in Kingston, Jamaica) was a hugely successful and well known Jamaican-born English football player of the 1980s and 1990s with both Watford and Liverpool, and was once the manager of Celtic.

If you are taking about Kenny Dalglish, I don't agree with your comments on the retiring Barnes. Barnes was at his prime years when Dalglish was manager. Dalglish did prepare for the next wave of youngsters. He signed Jamie Redknapp.

The problem then was Liverpool likes to promote one of their own to be the manager. Must be family member then can be Liverpool manager. Think Paisley, Evans, Dalglish, Souness, Thompson. Dalglish was probably too young to be manager. Without any previous coaching experience, he will surely feel stressed taking over the No 1 club then in England.

I don't think Kenny quit because of stress resulting from any inexperience. He was, as the source said, "hugely successful".

I'm not sure how far Kenny prepared for the next lap. Barnes had lost his pace and while he had an excellent spell in central midfield afterwards, there is no denying a lot of positions had greying players. Redders, as you know, was a central midfielder as well.

I'm not well-read on the Kenny resignation issue but it's possible he was fine as long as he could steer the ship in a fixed direction. With the players he had, Pool was on a cruise. Not to take away his motivational ability as a manager of course. But when he had to renew the team for the 90s, that was a totally different and much greater challenge. That might have been the trigger.

[KLKOOL]

Originally Posted by KingEros

May I humbly ask what was LFC's status just prior to Souness' appointment as the manager?? Yes, the very predecessor who chose to walk out of the club ... you guys dun remember at all??
You mean you guys dun remember his predecessor squeezing the last ounces from the retiring Barnes & Aldridge etc, without preparing the next wave of youngsters to even take over at all??
Sure, Souness may not be the best manager around ... but dun put the full blame on him when he was doing his best to clean up the mess left behind by this other biggest name in Anfield history!!!

PS: This same prick did the same to Blackburn ... sign big names on big money to win a title, before walking out of the club when he felt his chances were not that good anymore.

Yes boss, of course we remember. But the dramatic reversal of fortune when Souness took over. Although not his own doing (some of the things were Kenny's), Some of his signings to replace the tired old warhorses were a disaster...

He really had disastrous seasons, with a FA Cup his only trophy. He was then succeeded by Roy Evans.

The only good to come out of Souness was GOD, and Evans was Carra (who was a Attacking Midfielder/Striker and Owen.

Just my humble opnion.

Originally Posted by rahl

Opinions?

Always fancy important goals - Riise against Barca

[KingEros]

Originally Posted by blackdevil

I have also had a grudge against Kenny for leaving so abruptly. Recall stress was the reason.

Originally Posted by mahalosux

but what i do know ... is he walk out of Pool ... when he was doing resonably well ...

Stress was the reason ... or was it the excuse??
He certainly wasn't stressed that much as to stay out of football management ever again, right?? Think Blackburn, Newcastle ...
Why would anyone walk out of his well-paid job ... especially when he was loved by all in the "company" & he was doing reasonably well?? Perhaps becoz he saw it coming ... that the "more good years" were running out soon??
One other thing which I have issue against him ... he likes to pull strings, abusing his own likeability. Anybody remember a certain Paul Dalglish (his son) who's only played pro football at the clubs where Kenny himself was the manger at the same time?? As if that was not enough, he also got a certain Marina Dalglish (his daughter) a job as a sports commentator ... as sad as the day when I saw our own Istana prata-man went up to Manure to get a football signed, in the name of his grandson.

Originally Posted by Xgenre

Dalglish did prepare for the next wave of youngsters. He signed Jamie Redknapp.

Uncle ... signing a youngster means preparing for the next wave?? So, I supposed you consider Rafa is doing a lot for the next wave with his signings of Palleta, Roque & Insua?? When do you expect them to be ready for regular first team actions, huh?? Before or after Hyypia or Finnan retire or leave the club, huh??
For the record, Redders did not even make it to the first team until Souness took over ... & did not start making a name for himself via consistently good performances until Evan's reign.

Originally Posted by rahl

Heheh, I knew you'd wade in.

Dangerous ground you treading on leh ... the telepathy between may raise doubts that we may the one & same person hor.
But seriously, you knew ... simply becoz we've been there before: this is one topic which I really feel very strongly about & just cannot let it rest without my 2 pennies' worth.

Originally Posted by rahl

But I think his greatest failure was the inability to win the backing of everyone in footie - fans, players and senior management.

Well, it's all about personalities lah ... as a player, he's already the boss on & off the field - not unlike McMahon who is strongly opinionated as a sports commentator. On the other hand, Dalglish has very good PR with the people around him & remains well-liked to this very day.
I'll draw a parallel nearer to home ... compare Fandi & Sundram, who's the better player?? Without a doubt, it has to be Sundram ... but only Fandi is remembered by all to be the "favourite footballing son". Going a step further, both have biographies written - while Fandi's was ghost-written by one of the island's most respected sports journalist while Sundram's was full of typo errors.

[rahl]

Originally Posted by KingEros

I'll draw a parallel nearer to home ... compare Fandi & Sundram, who's the better player?? Without a doubt, it has to be Sundram ... but only Fandi is remembered by all to be the "favourite footballing son". Going a step further, both have biographies written - while Fandi's was ghost-written by one of the island's most respected sports journalist while Sundram's was full of typo errors.

No doubt about it, people politics are real important. And all the stuff in the papers about Sundram being hot-headed and inconsistent, blowing hot and cold. Sometimes these labels have become so cliched that we forget we are talking about full-blooded people and not just living things who play football well.

In my memory, when Stevie was just breaking out in the Pool first XI, it had seemed to me that David Thompson was the better youngster. Yet who can remember him now?

[KingEros]

Originally Posted by rahl

No doubt about it, people politics are real important. And all the stuff in the papers about Sundram being hot-headed and inconsistent, blowing hot and cold. Sometimes these labels have become so cliched that we forget we are talking about full-blooded people and not just living things who play football well.

That's why I always go shake his hands & tell him he's the better footballer, compared to Fandi ... whenever I run into Sundram.

Originally Posted by rahl

In my memory, when Stevie was just breaking out in the Pool first XI, it had seemed to me that David Thompson was the better youngster. Yet who can remember him now?

Yes, I remember David Thompson alright ... the reason he's not doing as well as Gerrard is his size, rather the lack of it. So, he has to fight doubly hard to maintain possession ... creativity & ability, I think he's as good as any midfielder playing in the EPL.
Along the same lines, do you remember a certain Don Hutchison?? The lad made it to the Scottish captaincy ... not a big deal since a certain lame Darren Fletcher is the current captain. Anyway, the lad was also a good midfielder in my eyes ... but he got caught by the paparazzi during a party with nothing more than a beer label covering his family jewels - so he was offloaded.

[KLKOOL]

Seems Rafa's enquiries have hit a 14m pound price tag for Bent.

[Xgenre]

Originally Posted by KingEros

Uncle ... signing a youngster means preparing for the next wave?? So, I supposed you consider Rafa is doing a lot for the next wave with his signings of Palleta, Roque & Insua?? When do you expect them to be ready for regular first team actions, huh?? Before or after Hyypia or Finnan retire or leave the club, huh??
For the record, Redders did not even make it to the first team until Souness took over ... & did not start making a name for himself via consistently good performances until Evan's reign.

Redknapp was an example I use to show that Dalglish did prepare for the next wave. I didn't say Redknapp was the only player Dalglish signed for 'the next wave'. Unfortunately, Dalglish resigned soon after signing Redknapp.

[KingEros]

Originally Posted by Xgenre

Redknapp was an example I use to show that Dalglish did prepare for the next wave. I didn't say Redknapp was the only player Dalglish signed for 'the next wave'. Unfortunately, Dalglish resigned soon after signing Redknapp.

You missed my point ... by a good mile.
Why do you think LFC reigned supreme for more than 10 years from the late 70s to the late 90s?? ...
IMHO, it was the manager & his bootroom's efforts in ensuring players (who are human & are going downhill soon) have able & ready replacements ... nobody really missed David Johnson becoz there was Ian Rush ... the greatness stemmed from their ability to identify potential from small clubs which got fulfilled the Anfield way (think Whelan, Hansen, Johnston, etc).
In Dalglish's case, his was known by most as the best LFC team ... becoz he managed to sign Barnes, Beardsley in their prime ... which also mean they performed at the peak for 2-3 years, before they reached their sell-by dates ... that's when the "next wave" really have no one even close as able replacements, not to mention ready replacements ... thence, the vacuum or dearth of abilities to continue to reign supreme.

[KLKOOL]

Couldn't Souness have done what Kenny did and sign players in their prime ??? I mean some of the signings were just horrible. We were at our peak then at could have attracted anyone we wanted to sign. He just made bad decisions...

I shiver to think what would have happened if GOD had not come along and scored the goals he did to win games I am sure were lost, and gave us respectable position in the league...

These were the most depressing years of supporting Pool.