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Old 18-07-2012, 08:11 PM
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Re: Insatiable Addiction on Newspaper to protect against sex toy shop and my $5500 de

Now you get to learn your lesson.

Business is not all about taking action then earn money. There's a reason why so many business have operation procedures. 5k may be an expensive lesson for your current situation. But since you're the one who set up the business for him, you are the one who have valuable contacts, knowledge and information about the business. You can set up another one with your experience.
Just pay heed to the laws, procedures and paperwork essential to protect your interest and the interest of your clients.

In army doesn't mean can't do work. You just need to be discreet lo, know the loopholes of the rules. Get yourself into a 8-5pm position. Then use the remainder time to figure out your work flow.
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Re: Insatiable Addiction on Newspaper to protect against sex toy shop and my $5500 de

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If I am going Army in august, my family is sibeh jialat, I will cancel my internet subscription, go to places with free wifi if I have to access my online blogshops and not waste my time complaining on sbf asking for help

btw, is your sister pretty?
dude... by going to places with free wifi i supposed internet cafes / fast food restaurants?
so i supposed you are one of the thick skins who chopped seats at there not buying anything just to tap free internet since you are advocating it?

and dude...

1)Did you pay tax? you should delete this if you are evading tax. to understand tax evasion, visit www.iras.gov.sg

we, or rather him (Ronn), does not need you to teach him to pay tax and also the implications of tax evasion. I personally believe that I know more on tax evasion than you do

2)Which year are you living in that your internet is $5500? 1995?

my internet subscription is about $50 odd per month. that chalks up to $600-700 a year. The rest is for hospitalization bills and medicine.
"and some spare cash for my dad as he just came out from hospital"
blind or what? dafug bro.

3)is your sister pretty? I know a way she can continue to help the family n pay for her education if she is pretty

it might not be a right place for him to 'vent' his frustrations but it is definitely out of place when especially shit like this happens and you still want to poke fun at other's misfortune. by saying you have other jobs if she is pretty, you know best what you are thinking of. we have eyes, we can see.

4)I'm helping you now: Don't do biz, get a proper paying job

define proper paying job, biz has its risks and returns but i don't see how is that an improper paying job...


i think you should get a straw....

*hint* Mcdonald has free straws and also free wifi... reply me when you are there =)
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Old 18-07-2012, 08:45 PM
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Re: Insatiable Addiction on Newspaper to protect against sex toy shop and my $5500 de

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Bro Love Potion,

I am not certain of things, may not need to fight all the way in a full court and stuff... There is something called the small claims tribunal, they handle small disputes, up to 5 grand, if I am not wrong and as it is a tribunal, it should not be too costly. You might want to check it there...

Also, whilst you have no black and white with him, you have shown that you have done all the work and stuff and have not been paid, there is likely two causes of action for you, one in contract and one in equity. It is not true that oral contracts do not stand up in court, especially as you have put in effort and did things for him, or for the business for that matter... but as others have mentioned, this might not be so strong as you do not have anything written. The other action is in equity, where you can show that he has become unjustly enriched off your work etc... Again these things would be better answered by a lawyer, and I believe that you can go in for a consult with the lawyer, most lawyers should charge very little for the first consult or sometimes even nothing.

Please do not despair and give up so quickly, least consult a lawyer and see if there is any plausible cause of action that may be taken first, not least there is the small claims tribunal which as I have mentioned is not as expensive as a full court hearing.
Thanks but they dont handle commercial dispute and for lawyer, I have consult him and i have pass him the evidence as he need time to analyse however he seems to have little interest over my case

Sorry to share with everyone about my personal life, i am truely sorry

My intention is to seek advice or help, sadly i found that i am the most naive and stupid businessman in SG

I am not fit to be a businessman since i believe in loyalty and trust

I apologise to everyone
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Old 18-07-2012, 08:52 PM
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Re: Insatiable Addiction on Newspaper to protect against sex toy shop and my $5500 de

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dude... by going to places with free wifi i supposed internet cafes / fast food restaurants?
so i supposed you are one of the thick skins who chopped seats at there not buying anything just to tap free internet since you are advocating it?

and dude...

lesson #1: cost control. you sux at it. You are not even bottom line driven u want to talk about "business"? Thats so funny....

we, or rather him (Ronn), does not need you to teach him to pay tax and also the implications of tax evasion. I personally believe that I know more on tax evasion than you do

lesson #2: be humble. since you know about taxation, you should be familiar with biz and employment laws too. wtf r u here asking what to do then? solve your own fucking problem. and since you zachary is an accountant, do you not advice your friend to bill his friend the 25% on a regular basis? how are you audits done and how did you even pass your tests? do you even have a CPA or ACCA? talk to me about straws?

my internet subscription is about $50 odd per month. that chalks up to $600-700 a year. The rest is for hospitalization bills and medicine.
"and some spare cash for my dad as he just came out from hospital"
blind or what? dafug bro.

lesson #3: know your employment act and insurance laws. It help to know there are such thing call workmen compensation and also 3rd party insurance for injured workers. even bangala workers who fell off the scaffolding get to rest for 2 years while still getting paid. oh right, you already know or as usually some parts of the story of the injured dad is not said also.

What % of this $600 will u or rather ronn utilized while in Army since you guys are sooooo smart? 10%? $600 saved is $600 earned.


it might not be a right place for him to 'vent' his frustrations but it is definitely out of place when especially shit like this happens and you still want to poke fun at other's misfortune. by saying you have other jobs if she is pretty, you know best what you are thinking of. we have eyes, we can see.

lesson #4: know your environment. you are selling sex toys and you are asking for help in a sex forum. I am offering you, or rather ronn very practical implied help for his sis. No? Out of place to offer solutions like this in a sex forum?

define proper paying job, biz has its risks and returns but i don't see how is that an improper paying job...

lesson #5: if you can't afford to lose, you can't win. since you can't afford to lose, then get a proper job that you can calculate you get $450/mth on the 12th of the month. Same way how banks assess you (u know tax but u duno how banks works?) if you have proper income. Save $300 and give this to your mum. Thats $3,600 a year.
smart alecs knows everything, and come out with a stupid story full of half truths asking for help.
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Old 18-07-2012, 09:35 PM
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Re: Insatiable Addiction on Newspaper to protect against sex toy shop and my $5500 de

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smart alecs knows everything, and come out with a stupid story full of half truths asking for help.
pffft...


lesson #1: cost control. you sux at it. You are not even bottom line driven u want to talk about "business"? Thats so funny....

cost control by using wifi? yes. but do you expect him/her to be in a lets say 24/7 Mcdonald everyday just to online their personal online blog / website?


lesson #2: be humble. since you know about taxation, you should be familiar with biz and employment laws too. wtf r u here asking what to do then? solve your own fucking problem. and since you zachary is an accountant, do you not advice your friend to bill his friend the 25% on a regular basis? how are you audits done and how did you even pass your tests? do you even have a CPA or ACCA? talk to me about straws?

be humble? after pouring wet blankets on somebody else's misfortune and stir things up by dragging tax issues into his sex toy biz? his point is, to make known that unlike other 'fortunate' 19 yr olds chaps... he is already trying his best to make ends meet... and then this kinda shit happens... what are you trying to prove by dragging 'has he been paying his taxes dutifully' ?


lesson #3: know your employment act and insurance laws. It help to know there are such thing call workmen compensation and also 3rd party insurance for injured workers. even bangala workers who fell off the scaffolding get to rest for 2 years while still getting paid. oh right, you already know or as usually some parts of the story of the injured dad is not said also.

i have done workmen compensation claims before and it's complicated and by the end of the day no news no outcome no claims done. perhaps i have done it the wrong way but that aside, the point here again is, the $5,500 could have helped Ronn's family by setting aside spare cash for his father's future medical expenses.

What % of this $600 will u or rather ronn utilized while in Army since you guys are sooooo smart? 10%? $600 saved is $600 earned.

what do you mean by what % of this $600? im calculating based on $50/mth internet bills multiply by 12months... $50 is for my personal internet bill, there are lower ends plans which are cheaper. i believed you have came to a conclusion whereby hogging free wifi zones w/o spending I supposed is a much better alternative than to pay his internet bills dutifully.

lesson #4: know your environment. you are selling sex toys and you are asking for help in a sex forum. I am offering you, or rather ronn very practical implied help for his sis. No? Out of place to offer solutions like this in a sex forum?

yes. this is a sex forum and you are definitely entitled to talk about sex related stuffs. but show a bit of respect when you know his intention here is to seek help/advice and not to advertise his sister. if he wants to, he would have started off his own thread elsewhere in the FL dome.

lesson #5: if you can't afford to lose, you can't win. since you can't afford to lose, then get a proper job that you can calculate you get $450/mth on the 12th of the month. Same way how banks assess you (u know tax but u duno how banks works?) if you have proper income. Save $300 and give this to your mum. Thats $3,600 a year.

he might be naive enough into trusting that 'gui ren' who came by and helped him along during his times of distress when he needed money desperately. wouldn't you have done so or you prefer to just rot and die with the entire family? proper job i assume you mean fixed salaried employee wages? does that mean iron rice bowl?

end of the day, you are here to suan siao Ronn. what do you derive from doing it? pleasure?

and when you said $5500 for internet bills, which era does he belongs in? 1995? and I obviously highlighted AND some spare cash for his dad ..... you just went quiet and bring workmen com and 3rd party insurance in to make it even draggier.


oh and I almost forgotten, thanks for calling me Zachary. =)
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Re: Insatiable Addiction on Newspaper to protect against sex toy shop and my $5500 de

Hey dude, no black n white what is there to argue(die no correct evident)? Since u have the knowlege why not set up another company doing back the same trade to snatch all his client back ( one tooth return tooth) instead of asking for help here? U can set up another email, blog, website etc so nothing to lose rite?
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Re: Insatiable Addiction on Newspaper to protect against sex toy shop and my $5500 de

how retarded can this thread get.. can mods like lock it..
pointless bickering..

sob story or no sob story, in the court of law its about evidence and contracts..
Don't have anybody to back up your story, you're as good as telling us a fairy tale.

Already gave you good advice based upon what can be done..you come here cry father cry mother also pointless.
For all we know you're just making shit up making yourself to look like you're the victim.

grow some balls and deal with it.
you already lucky that the forum owner didn't ban you from here for using his resources for your profits.
So don't push it and piss people off and completely burn a bridge with a revenue stream.
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I am not fit to be a businessman since i believe in loyalty and trust
With this statement, you are really not fit to be in business

Reputation is the key to success. You have to be loyal to your stakeholder. Treat people with sincerity and build a good organization. Otherwise, it doesn’t matter how famous or how capable you are.
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With this statement, you are really not fit to be in business

Reputation is the key to success. You have to be loyal to your stakeholder. Treat people with sincerity and build a good organization. Otherwise, it doesn’t matter how famous or how capable you are.
stake holders means making a voodoo doll , paste your enemy n difficult client the name and face on the doll and drive a stake through the doll?

juz like many biz ppl hit their enemies with shoes outside temples in hongkong?

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With this statement, you are really not fit to be in business

Reputation is the key to success. You have to be loyal to your stakeholder. Treat people with sincerity and build a good organization. Otherwise, it doesn’t matter how famous or how capable you are.
Super agree.

To be loyal and trusting is not asking you to give blind loyalty.
Trusting in friends and trusting in business are totally different. You can trust your friend and listen to whatever he say. But if your friend is really trustworthy in business, he know how to protect your interest aside from his own interest. And these involves all the procedures and paper stuff for business.

If that 'friend' is only taking care of his own interest, you can be friends with him. But don't deal business with him.
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Re: Insatiable Addiction on Newspaper to protect against sex toy shop and my $5500 de

Bro there are 2 ways you can maybe remedy the situation and maybe your
financial problems

1. Since you said you are going to NS, ask for stay in. I assume your family
has flat and you probably have your own room. With you stay in at the camp,
you can rent out your room for S$500/mth. Its not much but it will help tide
things over.

2. Since you need money and going to NS, maybe you can consider Sign on.
You will get a stable paycheck every mth and unlikely you have to worry
about bad times like retrenchment as this can be considered iron rice bowl.

But why did you not bill your partner monthly, why?

With the stability you can do the part time sex shop thing and digital lock
business. Yes its good to trust people but do not over do it, have some cards
close to your chest as well.
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Re: Insatiable Addiction on Newspaper to protect against sex toy shop and my $5500 de

Hi LP,

I am no lawyer but things will not be as bad as what you think for the litigation part.

Does your partner recognise you as a co-director? If yes, you should get your dues soon. If no, then you are representing your company to hire that illegal worker. Under business law, the company holds liable to the act of representative (agent-agency act something like that). So this company which is 100% owned by him will get all the fines and warnings. Whichever way, your partner need advise from his lawyer to argue his case.

Last but not least, you both do not fit in a business world. You win some you lose some. I can't believe 2 business partners can fall out over $5,500. It probably wont even cover the image and goodwill of any company.

I shall not go further into your financial situation because I dont want to be over smart.
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Re: Insatiable Addiction on Newspaper to protect against sex toy shop and my $5500 de

Bro TS, I got similiar problem as you

help bros can help me in my thread also
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Stay strong ronn, everyone has their up & downs in life. You just have to deal with it. jiayou !
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It is not only about business matter, he takes it too personal. Today he threaten me again to sue me for bankrupcy

He claimed that i am not a partner and also i defamation over my ex boss who owe me money, he even sponsor him money to sue me

I have gather al the ally in digital lock business and all my competitors are agreed to witness for me in newspaper or any other interview

I post it over here and receive some valuable reply. I only hope you guys can support me as now i am alone

Nobody is fighting for me and imagine a very rich man is coming after you, rob everything away from you and not paying you a cent

Sorry to disturb everyones time, i thought bros over here could assist me to protect against this bully. So sorry
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