To stay in or out of a relationship with a KTV gal

[longwinter]

Originally Posted by slider_72

Well, most of them go through agents in China in order to get their social visit pass. If I recall correctly, the current market rate that the agents charge is about RMB8,000 to RMB10,000.

If the Singapore bf is willing to apply for the social visit pass for her, then this additional cost is removed.

Who knows, maybe she really wants to come over and celebrate his birthday with him? It all depends on what happens after the birthday party and whether she heads back to work immediately upon touching our sunny shores.

but then if let say u are sincere in helping sumone celebrate his/her birthday, u will tink of ways and handle it by urself de mah.

by saying that she wan to come over and celebrate birthday for him but then in return, nid a social visit pass..it is like -_-"!

[EtherC]

I agree with HBK. It's like sorbet & Sng Bao(flavored popsicle). Basically the same thing but sold at different venues and at different prices. At HFJs no matter how successful or wealthy one is you become a hound chasing the rabbit. Trying to beat the other hounds. End of the day how many of these singers are chaste virgins? Its all in the mind.

[Heart Break Kid]

Originally Posted by EtherC

I agree with HBK. It's like sorbet & Sng Bao(flavored popsicle). Basically the same thing but sold at different venues and at different prices. At HFJs no matter how successful or wealthy one is you become a hound chasing the rabbit. Trying to beat the other hounds. End of the day how many of these singers are chaste virgins? Its all in the mind.

Thank bro ..in fact a lot of singers based here had dubious background in the past. For example, working as bar girls before.

People who had invested a lot of money into KTV girls & HFJ singers cannot bear the fact when people pointed out that all these girls classed under the same category & always perceived they owned it exclusively.

meaning to say people invested a lot of money on all these girls cannot afford to lose ..

[colins]

There are those who just want fresh meat and there are those who likes intellectuals. And there are those who can take girls available to anyone for a price and then there are those who likes girls to be exclusive to them. Everyone is dignified at their own individual level, just that you need to spend more time and effort for the latter. Like bro slider said, the eventual game is the same, but the league is different. That means a different type of playing with different aim. Our objective marks that difference, otherwise we would have stayed home and bed our own wives.

The issue is not in who is more dignified becos the comparison is unfair. If streetwalkers are more dignified in not using their brains to KC, then KTV WL are also dignified cos they can still choose whether to go to bed with you. That is in context to KC. Similar, if we say streetwalkers are least dignified becos they have to AJ everybody who pays, KTV WL are also least dignified becos they use trickery to make guys pay for more than sex. The cow horn is endless with this debate, variables are so different that we can only say they are different games played between a man and a pro.

You'll find that we are not comparing the categories in which the girls are from. We are in fact comparing our individual needs and wants, that will make the word 'dignity' much more meaningful. It's like if I like apples and you like durian, when I tell you durians has thorns, you will tell me that I said that becos I couldn't afford it. I can rebutt you by telling you apples has more nutrients, but you can always say you only like strong flavour. Hahaha...endless.

[pewpew]

Frankly speaking, previously i have a PRC (non the same 1) that gave me a suprise on my bdae by returning to Sillypore without me knowing that suddenly gave me a call with a bracelet that she saved money n bought in China.

If someone really likes you, they will try all means to satisfy you in every need and doing action that is out of your knowledge in hope of giving you something that will let you remember.

[EtherC]

Bro Colins I say thats 钻牛角尖. Unnecessary self justification and over analysis on commercial sex.

Do you guys discuss Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra or Sun Zi's warfare stratagems with WLs or quantum uncertainty? Intellectuals...lol I didn't know WLs function as scholars too. Well I guess we'll all be out of jobs soon since not only are they good at sex and snaring men, they have become intellectuals.

Dignity? What dignity is there in looking for paid sex? So you mean you go to a KTV or HFJ for free and they fuck you for free?

I apologise if I sound harsh but seriously that post is a tad out of this world.

[Heart Break Kid]

Intellectuals why don't use your finanicial resources to woo office ladies like bankers or auditors ?
Why go for HFJ singers & KTV girls

In the end of the day in commercial sex context whoever invested a lot money on all these HFJ singers & KTV girls ..will think in regret that money can use in better thing afterall all these is just high end entertainment. On surface people can showed off that this is differential product but then do all these girls really worth so much

Matured players should know the answer deep inside their heart.

[DTCEPL]

Why are all the intellectual learned scholarly rich loaded Bros arguing over the definition of 'Whores', whether its Streetwalkers, HFJ, KTV or HC....once they use their Body and sexual services in exchange for Cash, they are termed whores (at least Boss termed it tat way)

Its simple, its the individual values of both the Man and the Gal.....no need to argue Bros, whahahaha.

[Heart Break Kid]

People who invested a lot money cannot accept that HFJ singers & KTV girls are whores people reasoned all sort of crap that all these differential products people cheong HFJ are not in with meat markets mentality ....

[colins]

Originally Posted by EtherC

Bro Colins I say thats 钻牛角尖. Unnecessary self justification and over analysis on commercial sex.

Do you guys discuss Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra or Sun Zi's warfare stratagems with WLs or quantum uncertainty? Intellectuals...lol I didn't know WLs function as scholars too. Well I guess we'll all be out of jobs soon since not only are they good at sex and snaring men, they have become intellectuals.

Dignity? What dignity is there in looking for paid sex? So you mean you go to a KTV or HFJ for free and they fuck you for free?

I apologise if I sound harsh but seriously that post is a tad out of this world.

Hahaha...that's the word, 钻牛角尖. Comparison between leagues will start such a debate without no end, like I say, the cow horn is endless.

WL doesn't function as scholars, cos scholars are seldom practitioners. KTV girls and singers, the higher end ones, are practitioners of such strategems. You'll be surprised to see how they progress from 败战计 to 并战计 and continually use 混战计 and 胜战计 to ensnare their victims. Intellectuals are not necessarily scholars, but the ability to practise such strategies considering their education level, man you have to give it to them. To be frank, they are the ones who taught me some of the most useful strategies in application to life and esp at work, but not that they know that. The adrenalin rush and satisfaction to see such strategies bear fruit, I can tell you, is like 100x the feeling of orgasm.

No worries about you losing your job cos again, you are not WL and even so, discussing Sun Zi will only give you a theoretical discussion which only serves to bore, not attract any customer.

Ah...dignity derives from word dignified, a word that bro HBK used and you agreed to. It is a variable that will create what you said about 钻牛角尖 discussion, as said in my post. Personally, I took the meaning of the word from HBK to say that streetwalkers are more dignified based on the context that when sex is bought, it does not come with a KC cheating (for more money). Bro HBK explained that it means integrity and professionalism for a sex worker, of cos in context of sex for sale, that is totally agreeable. But using it as a comparison to KTV girls or singers, to me, they do not sell sex in an outright manner. They sell fulfilment, like pride/ego and other emotional needs. Of cos, at the end of the day, their customer still want sex, but sex in this context belongs to the ultimate submission on the singers' part, the journey towards bed is really what their customers pay for. In this context, the product is very different, becos the customers' objective is also different. Hence, a comparison between both worlds is difficult.

[EtherC]

So con men, bank robbers,embezzlers, money launderers are intellectuals too since these people use their intelligence and analytical thinking in achieving their aims? These WLs are no more than tricksters. You give them too much credit. Their use of those methods are just application for their trade, nothing more. Even a novice WL out to make a buck knows how to tug at the heart strings of cheongsters. Women are by nature more adept at manipulation of emotions and organization.It an in born ability just used to great extent in this line of work.

Real intellectuals create ideas ,not only to apply them. You say scholars not being practitioners, I'm sorry are you forgetting people like Aristotle or even Li Si of Qin Dynasty? These are true intellectuals, people who study for extensive periods of time(their entire lives), create ideas, apply,teach, administrate and solve real life issues, help win wars etc. They illuminate the rest of us. To put WLs in their league is proof of how out of this world your post was and still you are adamant with your warped logic.

WLs lie, cheat and cause social problems. Yet you term them as intellectuals. LOL.

You are talking about Satisfaction? Please that's a totally different issue from dignity. There are morons who spend 800 bucks at KTVs and can't get to touch a Ang Pai TAM girl, there are cheongsters who spend 800 bucks and can fuck the same girl for an entire day and then there are those who need not spend a single cent yet the same girl is willing to pay their 8000 dollar debt. This is the real scene where the categorization is of us not the girls. The girl remains the same just the men are different.

Can't you see that?

[slider_72]

This debate is getting a little out of context. I think there is a need to go back to HBK's original post (which he edited shortly after my posting), where he said that he respected streetwalkers but not the HC and KTV thrash.

My response to him was that he is not comparing apples with apples. Streetwalkers and KTV/HFJ girls are of a different league. They appeal to a separate market segment.

His next comment was that people who go for the KTV/HFJ girls are spending huge sums of money for essentially the same product. His view was that you get better service and gfe from streetwalkers but pay much lesser than KTV/HFJ girls. His conclusion is that streetwalker have better professionalism and integrity compared with KTV/HFJ girls.

Colin's view was that different men like different types. Some prefer just going for the fresh meat whilst others prefer something a bit more intellectual. I guess the unfortunate part of this exchange is the use of the word "intellectual". I will touch on this later.

This is where EtherC caught on with his comments about WLs becoming scholars. The discussion took a different track thereafter.

The genesis of this discussion was the comparison made by HBK between streetwalkers and KTV/HFJ girls. Somehow there was a quantum leap in his argument that those who go for KTV/HFJ girls are wasting good money for essentially the same thing.

This is where I disagreed with him, and where I think Colin shared the same opinion.

If you ask any marketing professional, they will tell you that packaging and marketing makes a whole world of difference. The target audience is different for different products. A Franck Muller watch and a Casio watch are both equally capable of telling time but why do people still buy Franck Muller watches? Similarly a beemer and a Nissan are equally capable of transporting people from point A to point B but why do people still spend an obscene sum of money to buy a beemer instead of a Nissan?

It is the packaging and the marketing that puts these into the category of luxury goods.

Similarly for women, if their marketing pitch and packaging are for the mass market, those who are into luxury goods would not really be interested. Whereas those who are not into luxury goods would think that spending a huge amount of money on a KTV/HFJ girl is a silly waste of money.

Consumers and consumers' taste will evolve over time. For the cheongster, after a period of simply paying and fucking, it gets boring. Some would prefer the thrill of the chase which the KTV/HFJ girls offer. I believe it would be difficult to deny that there is a certain degree of exclusivity. Not every Ah Beng or Ah Seng will be able to bed a KTV/HFJ girl. On the other hand, any guy with a hundred bucks to spare can bed a streetwalker.

Coming to the use of the word "intellectual", I think it should be construed this way; that unlike a streetwalker, if you want to get the attention of a KTV/HFJ girl and to get her into bed, there would be a certain level of mind games involved. With a streetwalker, it is a no-brainer. You just negotiate the price and voila! you get to go between her legs. For a KTV/HFJ girl, you need to work on her brain first before you get her to open her legs. Admittedly there will be a lot more money spent. But for some, cost is no longer the issue. The exercise is whether you can get into the girl's pants after spending that sum of money. Some do and some don't.

With the streetwalkers, the guy is merely fulfilling his basic need for sex, ie the lowest level in Maslow's pyramid. With those who are into KTV/HFJ girls, bringing the girl to bed may be the goal but the main thrill is the journey getting there.

From HBK's posts, it seems that you are still into Casio watches. There may come a day when you feel the need to get yourself a Franck Muller. Perhaps we can re-visit this argument when that day comes because until that day, it would be difficult to explain the different nuances.

[EtherC]

What Bro HBK is saying too in his posts is that the Franck Muller you think you're wearing is actually a China replica and whatever leagues you think exist lies only in the mind.

A really different league:

In China drive to any uni and you'll see Ferraris fetching beautiful uni students. You'll see these students on the arms of rich business men at lunches or functions. The price tags are as follows: Actresses >models> students. Basically these are mistresses, the "true" exclusive. Although most of these have their own BFs or even hubbies. They are in this simply for the $. In fact I have first hand info on how a pageant winning HK actress is doing this as well and now that her sugar daddy is in problem she has to resume work.The businessmen dun mind because they know these women are trophies, like what you mount on the mantle.

Thats the difference between China Cheongsters and Singapore Chai Taos.
Here we treat these KTV girls/Singers like some gems. LOL


PS:I like Franck Muller watches love the tonneau shape. Complicated watch for the sophisticated gentleman =D.

[Heart Break Kid]

Originally Posted by slider_72

This debate is getting a little out of context. I think there is a need to go back to HBK's original post (which he edited shortly after my posting), where he said that he respected streetwalkers but not the HC and KTV thrash.

My response to him was that he is not comparing apples with apples. Streetwalkers and KTV/HFJ girls are of a different league. They appeal to a separate market segment.

His next comment was that people who go for the KTV/HFJ girls are spending huge sums of money for essentially the same product. His view was that you get better service and gfe from streetwalkers but pay much lesser than KTV/HFJ girls. His conclusion is that streetwalker have better professionalism and integrity compared with KTV/HFJ girls.

Colin's view was that different men like different types. Some prefer just going for the fresh meat whilst others prefer something a bit more intellectual. I guess the unfortunate part of this exchange is the use of the word "intellectual". I will touch on this later.

This is where EtherC caught on with his comments about WLs becoming scholars. The discussion took a different track thereafter.

The genesis of this discussion was the comparison made by HBK between streetwalkers and KTV/HFJ girls. Somehow there was a quantum leap in his argument that those who go for KTV/HFJ girls are wasting good money for essentially the same thing.

This is where I disagreed with him, and where I think Colin shared the same opinion.

If you ask any marketing professional, they will tell you that packaging and marketing makes a whole world of difference. The target audience is different for different products. A Franck Muller watch and a Casio watch are both equally capable of telling time but why do people still buy Franck Muller watches? Similarly a beemer and a Nissan are equally capable of transporting people from point A to point B but why do people still spend an obscene sum of money to buy a beemer instead of a Nissan?

It is the packaging and the marketing that puts these into the category of luxury goods.

Similarly for women, if their marketing pitch and packaging are for the mass market, those who are into luxury goods would not really be interested. Whereas those who are not into luxury goods would think that spending a huge amount of money on a KTV/HFJ girl is a silly waste of money.

Consumers and consumers' taste will evolve over time. For the cheongster, after a period of simply paying and fucking, it gets boring. Some would prefer the thrill of the chase which the KTV/HFJ girls offer. I believe it would be difficult to deny that there is a certain degree of exclusivity. Not every Ah Beng or Ah Seng will be able to bed a KTV/HFJ girl. On the other hand, any guy with a hundred bucks to spare can bed a streetwalker.

Coming to the use of the word "intellectual", I think it should be construed this way; that unlike a streetwalker, if you want to get the attention of a KTV/HFJ girl and to get her into bed, there would be a certain level of mind games involved. With a streetwalker, it is a no-brainer. You just negotiate the price and voila! you get to go between her legs. For a KTV/HFJ girl, you need to work on her brain first before you get her to open her legs. Admittedly there will be a lot more money spent. But for some, cost is no longer the issue. The exercise is whether you can get into the girl's pants after spending that sum of money. Some do and some don't.

With the streetwalkers, the guy is merely fulfilling his basic need for sex, ie the lowest level in Maslow's pyramid. With those who are into KTV/HFJ girls, bringing the girl to bed may be the goal but the main thrill is the journey getting there.

From HBK's posts, it seems that you are still into Casio watches. There may come a day when you feel the need to get yourself a Franck Muller. Perhaps we can re-visit this argument when that day comes because until that day, it would be difficult to explain the different nuances.

I don't quite agree on your statements on not every Ah Beng & Ah Seng get to bed KTV girls or HFJ singers. These girls are openly termed as public toilets in case you don't understand what it means. Its mean anyone can bed them at price or they (girls) can trade it in other form of transanction.

Any Ah Beng Ah Seng can afford the price can bed to these girls ..no doubt about it.

Of course there is different between luxury goods, normal goods & inferior goods from what you mention like watches. Buying Rolex will give a value at the end of the day ...but investing big money on high class whores only give some short terms satisfactistion or sometimes even ended in anger.

If commercial sex ..can compare to purchasing of luxury goods & normal goods well ....

[Heart Break Kid]

Originally Posted by EtherC

What Bro HBK is saying too in his posts is that the Franck Muller you think you're wearing is actually a China replica and whatever leagues you think exist lies only in the mind.

A really different league:

In China drive to any uni and you'll see Ferraris fetching beautiful uni students. You'll see these students on the arms of rich business men at lunches or functions. The price tags are as follows: Actresses >models> students. Basically these are mistresses, the "true" exclusive. Although most of these have their own BFs or even hubbies. They are in this simply for the $. In fact I have first hand info on how a pageant winning HK actress is doing this as well and now that her sugar daddy is in problem she has to resume work.The businessmen dun mind because they know these women are trophies, like what you mount on the mantle.

Thats the difference between China Cheongsters and Singapore Chai Taos.
Here we treat these KTV girls/Singers like some gems. LOL


PS:I like Franck Muller watches love the tonneau shape. Complicated watch for the sophisticated gentleman =D.

seem like Singapore Chai Taos still have a long way to go ...