Advise please

[adidas88]

Originally Posted by Norikasan55

Is it true that some hometown in thailand got no mobile network?

i seriously doubt so ...
it's just excuses from the gals when they r not "convenient" to answer or call u back ...

[theUnforgotten]

IT is true some outskirt areas especially in the provinces dont have good reception or no mobile receptions , especially if u using DTAC mobile provider.

I was in the outskirt of Chiang mai several years back, 1 hour away from the city , totally no reception liao

[Charmaine]

Hi All,

I spent close to 3 hours on the internet last night reading a single screen on an amateurishly-designed HTML page with not a single link and the smallest scrollbar on your browser imaginable, considering the page would have spanned 300 pages if bounded into a book. Its contents have already been taken down 6 years ago but through the Internet Wayback Machine I was able to live through what many others have lived through when this webpage exploded in popularity a few years ago. It's clear, concise, to-the-point and still eerily relevant, proving that some things just never seem to change.

I'm refering to the infamous Stickman Guide to the Naughty Nightlife in Bangkok.

Stickman's Guide to Naughty Nightlife in Thailand

Yes, its reviews section hasn't been updated since 2002, but what really struck me was how precise and relevant the "girls" section still is, even today. The scene has never really changed. Bars come and go, girls enter and exit, but the sexual politics, lies, deceit and money games, as a life on its own, lives on. It awoken me to exactly how foolish I have been. Money can always be earned back, but experiences like this stay with you. I poured my heart and emotion into this, but now I'm free. Stickman made me realise that and more. It's all been presented to me before, but they're all so clear now.

- All working ladies in Bangkok are the same - each and every single one of them. Sure you'll have your lucky days but it's like winning the lottery - just don't start dreaming that you'll be the one.

- Stickman really hit the nail on the head when he brought up a very, relevant point. These girls are in need of money, sure. They all come from poor backgrounds, sure. But heading into the scene is just the easy way out and they know it. There are honest jobs out there that pay less, but at least they retain a certain amount of integrity for themselves. Human beings will never treasure something that they can achieve or obtain without much effort, and to be honest most of these girls chose to be in this profession because they're able to get the most amount of money within the least amount of time or effort. There are a million other ways to make money but they chose to sell their bodies or their soul, and for that alone none of them deserve our respect or love. Have you ever noticed the more they make the more they tend to splurge on (to us anyway) relatively unnecessary items like brand names, the latest mobile phones or gadgets that they probably don't need? What's with the high-and-mighty vision of working to save their families?

- After approximately 6 weeks into the trade, all girls get hardened. They're no longer the girl they once were. Lies, deceit and mindfucks are games they play because they have to. Maybe they didn't used to be like this, but they've been lied to before, probably time and time again, before they met you. They have been battle-trained to take things into perspective and treat it like a job, and little else. What they're selling is their time, body and affection to you. It all comes in a package. It's not because you're tall, dark, handsome, sanuk or caring. They've seen all this before.

All in all, Stickman's original site was a wonderful read and it really woke me up from my slumber. My girl isn't special. Yours isn't either. Nobody's is. It's all fun and games in Bangkok, and the sooner we realise this, the better.

[adidas88]

Originally Posted by Charmaine

All in all, Stickman's original site was a wonderful read and it really woke me up from my slumber. My girl isn't special. Yours isn't either. Nobody's is. It's all fun and games in Bangkok, and the sooner we realise this, the better.

bro charmaine ... i'm glad that u've come to realise that u r living in a realistic world .. not dreams ...
stickman's read is a true to nothing abt the process life of these WL's ...
u should also try reading "The Private Dancer" ... it's a good story too ..

welcome back ... bro charmaine ..

[Charmaine]

I really appreciate all the advice and help that you've dished out to me all these months, adidas88. I guess what really woke me up, more than anything elaborate Stickman has ever written, was something that happened yesterday.

(By the way, I have read Private Dancer but it didn't work on me as much as what Stickman wrote. Maybe because I didn't really like the whole first-person perspective approach).

I decided that I should sms her the next set of pre-paid top-up serial number I have bought for her to to sms me with (I bought it quite some time ago), deliberately mis-typing a digit. I waited patiently for her to reply me. There was nothing for a long time. Nearly half a day later, she sms-ed back a cold "The number is wrong. I can't top up."

I gave her the right one this time. She replied almost immediately. "Thank you. What are you doing now?"

"Thinking of you." I tested. There was no reply from her for hours. That's when it all became clear. I sent her an extremely nasty sms, articulating everything that I've ever wanted to say to her in concise, direct phrases. I told her that I have been hurt, I had been a fool, and to her I'm only known as the stupid guy from Singapore who kept coming back to see her, buy her drinks and help in her sales. It has never been beyond that. She took a further hour to sms me back, conveniently (and predictably) ignoring all confrontation. "I never hurt you." was all she could muster. I became indifferent.

Well, better late than never, I guess. I was blind, but now I can see.

[adidas88]

Originally Posted by Charmaine

I really appreciate all the advice and help that you've dished out to me all these months ..

all bros r here to share their experiences and hopefully give constructive advises to those in need ...
u'll do the same in the future when someone seek help and advise in similiar case ...

Originally Posted by Charmaine

Well, better late than never, I guess. I was blind, but now I can see.

great to have u back on track, bro ..
No matter how far you have gone on a wrong road. Turn back.

[yinyang]

Originally Posted by Charmaine

..Well, better late than never, I guess. I was blind, but now I can see.

Saving grace is that you been through this rough patch from start, and administered your own bitter medicine. Could have been worse, and you'll find it harder to get off roller coaster ride later on.

Stickman's was part of my initiation to LOS, and window to follies of farangs afflicted with WL flu. Neither are asians immune. Stephen Leather's acclaimed fiction piece is just 1, plenty others eg John Burdett let you on the insights of WL (Asia Books is a good place to browse). Not inspiring reads though..

[pussyman72]

Originally Posted by yinyang

Stickman's was part of my initiation to LOS, and window to follies of farangs afflicted with WL flu. Neither are asians immune. Stephen Leather's acclaimed fiction piece is just 1, plenty others eg John Burdett let you on the insights of WL (Asia Books is a good place to browse). Not inspiring reads though..

he should watch virgin trade video also. angmo way of kanna blue black n us is almost no diff.

most important going to this pubs,ktv, apnam etc. try to maintain as player then getting involve with the girl so fast. after few session and then sink into it only asking for trouble.

thinking the girls are nice treat them very good, love them, etc. guys always forget this is the way the girls treat their customers so that their customers will keep coming back to find them.

if one wanna step on it as i always said dont blame them blame urself for getting "involved"

[Charmaine]

Yes, I've been silly. But I also believe I've been rational from the time I began till the time I ended. I've considered all this and more.

1. She texted me non-stop since the end of my fourth trip and made regular trips to the internet cafe to speak with me almost daily. If she had done that to every one of her customers she would have been a very busy girl.

Now I know that she simply picks and chooses who she wants to target based on her instincts of who she likes (but not loves) and who could potentially the easiest to trick (in this instance, me).

2. She came to pick me at the airport, paid for many of my meals and taxi fares, accompanied me 24/7 and stayed with me throughout the duration of my last trip.

Now I know it's merely the extension of her "work" and it simply represents a short break from the monotony of reporting to the G-Club everyday. No wonder she was so accommodating.

I've grown stronger from the experience. There too much to do and see in Bangkok to waste your time focusing your effort and attention on one exclusive person.

[adidas88]

Originally Posted by pussyman

if one wanna step on it as i always said dont blame them blame urself for getting "involved" ..

cannot agreed any less ...
they simply just laid the hook but the fish goes for it ...

Originally Posted by Charmaine

Yes, I've been silly. But I also believe I've been rational from the time I began till the time I ended.

sometimes the most difficult lessons are learnt through mistakes....

Originally Posted by Charmaine

I've grown stronger from the experience. There too much to do and see in Bangkok to waste your time focusing your effort and attention on one exclusive person.

that's right .... there's so much to venture in bkk ...
why boils urself down with all the unnecessary issues ...
enjoy urself while u can ...

[Cyberspace Nerd]

Originally Posted by Charmaine

Yes, I've been silly. But I also believe I've been rational from the time I began till the time I ended. I've considered all this and more.

1. She texted me non-stop since the end of my fourth trip and made regular trips to the internet cafe to speak with me almost daily. If she had done that to every one of her customers she would have been a very busy girl.

She could be getting handouts, so dont have to work so hard loh...also..her computer screen can open a few chat windows also what...

2. She came to pick me at the airport, paid for many of my meals and taxi fares, accompanied me 24/7 and stayed with me throughout the duration of my last trip.

Now I know it's merely the extension of her "work" and it simply represents a short break from the monotony of reporting to the G-Club everyday. No wonder she was so accommodating.

.

Stay with you 24/7, did you pay her? if got pay, ok for her. also, her phone got keep ringing or put in silent mode or not? or when her phone kept ringing, she didnt pick up but call back later?

she paid for ur meals, stay with you 24/7 etc, good enough lah...why u still want her to love you? go and look for another girl, so that when u in bkk again, u can have 3 day 2 nite with this girl, and 2 day 1 nite with another.

[adidas88]

Originally Posted by Cyberspace Nerd

she paid for ur meals, stay with you 24/7 etc, good enough lah...why u still want her to love you? go and look for another girl, so that when u in bkk again, u can have 3 day 2 nite with this girl, and 2 day 1 nite with another.

that's a good one ...
honestly ...

[Charmaine]

Originally Posted by Cyberspace Nerd

She could be getting handouts, so dont have to work so hard loh...also..her computer screen can open a few chat windows also what...



Stay with you 24/7, did you pay her? if got pay, ok for her. also, her phone got keep ringing or put in silent mode or not? or when her phone kept ringing, she didnt pick up but call back later?

she paid for ur meals, stay with you 24/7 etc, good enough lah...why u still want her to love you? go and look for another girl, so that when u in bkk again, u can have 3 day 2 nite with this girl, and 2 day 1 nite with another.

I've personally never tried that before. That does sound like an excellent, albeit evil, idea.

I've harboured the (admittedly) narrow-minded thought of going back to the same G-Club to get to know a fresh new girl (hopefully now I won't get emotionally burnt!) just to get back at her, but that would have been too much. Thais value face more than anything else in the world and I'm sure this will have repercussions.

I've paid her barfine for the duration of her stay with me. But her phone was pretty much silent throughout the 2 days I was with her - only her sister was calling. She felt so comfortable that she didn't even bother to bring in her bag and phone when she was showering. In this regard I don't think she's got much to hide.

I've come to the conclusion that my obsession with her emotionally boils down to ego more than true love. Her previous boyfriend was a Taiwanese-Australian tourist who was initially her customer and became very close to her (he came to see her many times in a single year; pretty much like myself) and eventually fucked her, dumped her then moved on. I guess I just wanted something of the same. I know now that she won't be silly enough to fall for the same trick twice. He won, I lost. I can't win all the time, can I? He's got money to burn and I don't.

Thank you all again for your comments and interest in this thread. I owe it to all of you for slapping me out of my dreams.

[adidas88]

Originally Posted by Charmaine

I've personally never tried that before. That does sound like an excellent, albeit evil, idea.

nope .. i don't feel it is ...
afterall ... it's a fair transcation ... like a business deal ...

Originally Posted by Charmaine

I've harboured the (admittedly) narrow-minded thought of going back to the same G-Club to get to know a fresh new girl (hopefully now I won't get emotionally burnt!) just to get back at her, but that would have been too much. Thais value face more than anything else in the world and I'm sure this will have repercussions.

why bother abt doing that ...
the next time u r in bkk .. u shld try to enjoy urself and don't waste time doing all these kid stuffs .. it ain;t worth the time and effort ...

Originally Posted by Charmaine

I've paid her barfine for the duration of her stay with me. But her phone was pretty much silent throughout the 2 days I was with her - only her sister was calling. She felt so comfortable that she didn't even bother to bring in her bag and phone when she was showering. In this regard I don't think she's got much to hide.

did it cross ur mind that maybe she is using another sim card ???

Originally Posted by Charmaine

I've come to the conclusion that my obsession with her emotionally boils down to ego more than true love. Her previous boyfriend was a Taiwanese-Australian tourist who was initially her customer and became very close to her (he came to see her many times in a single year; pretty much like myself) and eventually fucked her, dumped her then moved on. I guess I just wanted something of the same. I know now that she won't be silly enough to fall for the same trick twice. He won, I lost. I can't win all the time, can I? He's got money to burn and I don't.

bro charmaine .. r u telling me all these while u have not bonk her at all ??
not even once ???

[Mr.romantic]

Originally Posted by Charmaine

I've personally never tried that before. That does sound like an excellent, albeit evil, idea.

I've harboured the (admittedly) narrow-minded thought of going back to the same G-Club to get to know a fresh new girl (hopefully now I won't get emotionally burnt!) just to get back at her, but that would have been too much. Thais value face more than anything else in the world and I'm sure this will have repercussions.

Thank you all again for your comments and interest in this thread. I owe it to all of you for slapping me out of my dreams.

i am indeed surprised with your drastic change in just over 2 days. glad that you see the light.

she has never conned you for money so getting back at her is uncalled for. just that you did not know how to play the game right from the start. these girls are experienced players. are you the player or the playee? always point the finger to ourselves first.

it's best to start afresh and go to another club to get a new regular chick unless you still have bottles and drinks from your current membership. alternatively you can throw a party for Mr.r and his Thai friends to finish up the membership so you can call it quits for this G-Club. all you need to do is to inform your mamasan to add a new signature (Mr.r) on your whisky card. and i will take it from here.