woes of a tirak

Mr Thaivisitor, I am shocked at you. I really have to point out your mixup & whether you did it on purpose or not, only you know best. I distinctly remember Free posting his reply to your question on this delayed money situation becoz I had a client who delayed a promised payment too, and it created a lot of unexpected problems for me, although they were raelly temporary in nature. You claimed to be a successful businessman, and you surely know delayed payments do happen. At the most, you can tell Free off for being inexperienced and not taking that possibility into account. That would be helping him, if you had wanted to help him at all.

Out of a nagging curiosity, I went to check and confirm that he had indeed explained to you the situation quite clearly, and this matter should have been closed. Instead you bring it up again without any reference to his answer, as if you know what actually happened better than he did. AMAZING! Either you don't read his reply or you purposely ignore that post? And still carry on your relentless attacks? And there are several more, if my memory serves me right, but I have not enough time to dig them out. I am only a 3rd party after all.

I see how you took what Free had posted and twisted his meanings to suit what you wanted to portray him to be! Lidat do goot meh? Why you do that? Not something I would expect from you at all. How to carry on respecting you like that? And this example I have painstakingly posted below (coz I felt there had to be some justice done), citing the dates&times these questions and answers were posted and they definitely showed that you seemed to be doing something fishy here. It amounts to character assasination, I think. Surely you don't need to do such a thing, given your level?

First time I read Free posted about his delayed money situation:

Originally Posted by free on 16-03-2005, 11:46 AM

Wah lau, was living in suspense the whole of the last 2 days, cos the funds I set aside for this trip didn't arrive! Was informed very very late by the party concerned that there will be some delay in paying me - till month end!

I initially thought you asked a good question. Then I saw how you assumed, without checking with him, that the delayed payment was an advanced cheque for work not done. Free had described both as 2 different jobs but you chose to ignore that. As a experienced businessman, you should know that the 2 are very different things, so I don't think you made a mistake. Your habit of making assumptions and shoot instead from the hips of asking first is very evident throughout your dealings.

Originally Posted by thaivisitor on 03-04-2005, 04:47 PM

Also, I don't know what financial situation you are presently, but did you tell your "love" that your "advance cheque" nearly didn't come, and then some assistance was also handed out to you for your trip there as the advance isn't sufficient? It meant to say you actually couldn't afford that trip. BTW, had I known it earlier, I would have told you NOT to go as it is ridiculous to travel on borrowed funds, no matter how close the people are to you.

Free elaborated on the situation in his reply to you, which should have closed the case, once and for all

Originally Posted by free on 03-04-2005, 10:13 PM

Again, u mis-heard. I said my customer delayed his payment (for a completed job and enough to cover the trip and more) by 2 weeks and luckily another party gave me a consulting job, pre-paid. I had given a lot of free advice to this new party in the past and this was his way of repaying - prepay me for a job we had agreed upon, and he knew why I asked if he could prepay me. After all, he is my professor.

U know what? I did not hide the "almost didn't make it" thingy from her. That was the 1st thing I told her when she met me at Don Muang. That's why we plan the next trip further apart so that it dun happen again. Better make sure dough is in before making preparations/bookings. Else would not have discuipline ourselves and not go for Air Asias $1.99 offer.Ços other things still cost money

You totally ignored Free's reply to your post above and go whacking again on the same issue. saying what you want to say, as if Free had not elaborated at all. That is most unkind of you. If I had not remembered this specific issue clearly becoz my own experience, it would have been both easy and natural for me to think what you said here is correct, and Free had done wrong. Don't you think that is being very cunning? Taking advantage of the fact that most Samsters do not go back to read past posts and assume the latest post contained the latest updates? Lidat do goot meh?

Originally Posted by thaivisitor on 06-29-2005, 05:00 AM

It's OK when you waited for your advance pay to whatever and use the money to go up north. But you posted the lack of funds and eventually borrowed from 2 friends to go up. What impression does it gives. Let me tshow you how I analyse.

You don't even have enough savings to go up but you still wanted to go. Any reasonable person would wait until they have enough money before travelling. So I analyse 2 things. First, is that presently, you are not financial stable. Not that you will never be, but at the present situation. And second, you do not know priority as such took the first step into debts into your relationship. Is that a good move?

Again, you tried to implicate Free did not let his tirak know about this delayed payment situation, when he had stated so clearly that was the first thing he told her when they met. So you still stick to what you want to think and say, as if you were there with him. Would it be more reasonable to accept his answer to this issue, unless of course you DO have a personal agenda against him?

Originally Posted by thaivisitor on 29-06-2005, 05:00 AM

And does the girl knows about all this? Did you tell her that you don't have enough savings to visit her for that trip? Did you tell her that you had to borrow from friends, even try to borrow from people whom you have just met? Did you tell her that the visits to what places are on borrowed money which you will have to pay back (if you do intend to pay back)? Of course you will say yes lah... But I don't think so... cos if you did, her balls (if she had any) would have shrunk knowing that her future husband does not do things sensibly.

OK, I have said enough. As you see, I don't normally post very often unless it is really going to make a difference. I think most readers will be able to grasp what I am trying to show here. Thanks for taking the time to read, and I hope Mr Thaivisitor, you will go back and meditate upon your true agenda in what you have done so far. Hope you are not offended by my perhaps most lengthy post to date; not that it matters. I like many who used to respect you, no longer do. Thank you and goodnight. Shit, this is way past my normal bedime, and the wify is calling too

[BigHEAD]

Originally Posted by aymy

Thanks for taking the time to read, and I hope Mr Thaivisitor, you will go back and meditate upon your true agenda in what you have done so far. Hope you are not offended by my perhaps most lengthy post to date; not that it matters. I like many who used to respect you, no longer do. Thank you and goodnight. Shit, this is way past my normal bedime, and the wify is calling too

Good comment
finally someone come out to defend bro free. actually it is a fact
quite pity to see him kena whack by bro TV when ever he post a thread
somebody just like being a stalker

[Hakoshu]

Great Effort on this post!! So Free won't be wrongfully accused......

Originally Posted by aymy

Mr Thaivisitor, I am shocked at you. I really have to point out your mixup & whether you did it on purpose or not.............

[DNAT]

Frankly, if I have 3 tiraks r/s within a period of 2+ years .. I also xianzzzz

[easyeasy]

aiyah bro aymy, it is good that you put in a word for bro free but judging from bro TV character i dun think he is an unreasonable person. he is a seasoned cheongster. i believe what TV had posted to free is out of goodwill, indicating to him that job must come first, have some savings and the last thing should then be cheonging

BTW bro aymy what does your nick means huh?

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by aymy

Mr Thaivisitor, I am shocked at you. I really have to point out your mixup & whether you did it on purpose or not, only you know best. I distinctly remember Free posting his reply to your question on this delayed money situation becoz I had a client who delayed a promised payment too, and it created a lot of unexpected problems for me, although they were raelly temporary in nature. You claimed to be a successful businessman, and you surely know delayed payments do happen. At the most, you can tell Free off for being inexperienced and not taking that possibility into account. That would be helping him, if you had wanted to help him at all.

OK, I have said enough. As you see, I don't normally post very often unless it is really going to make a difference. I think most readers will be able to grasp what I am trying to show here. Thanks for taking the time to read, and I hope Mr Thaivisitor, you will go back and meditate upon your true agenda in what you have done so far. Hope you are not offended by my perhaps most lengthy post to date; not that it matters. I like many who used to respect you, no longer do. Thank you and goodnight. Shit, this is way past my normal bedime, and the wify is calling too

I'm glad that you bring up the case and it is good to see bros defending and supporting him. Had I wanted to "assassinate" bro Free's character, I could have done it much earlier. To assssinate his "character" in this forum is the easiest thing to do. I don't even need hard evidence or facts. All I need to do is to put other people's words against his and let the samsters here decide. Bro Free would be finished in this forum. But I didn't do that. I only hinted it out without any reference to any particular person. Why? Because I know he would have read my posts. But did he do anything about it? No he didn't.

Anyway, since you checked back the postings, did you managed to see the posts whereby he was finally able to go up North with an advance payment and also loans from 2 friends? I don't know who the 2 friends are, maybe he can tell us.

And did you ever wonder why I posted on 3-4-2005 eventhough his events were in mid march? It's was because I didn't know of his earlier postings, and when some samster told me that he wanted to borrow money, I went to check back his postings. Samster whom he meet only once (or at the most twice).

I am aware of the money that was supposed to come in and all that, but when you had to borrow from a samster who is not close to you, I sense the situation was not right. As I didn't want to be "direct" I hinted to him in my post about his financial situation.

If I wanted to be direct, I would have just ask that "does your tirak knows that you had to try to borrow money from people who are not close to you so that you are able to go for that trip?" Had I been direct at that time, just like now, don't you think it will put him in bad light? Like I said, bro Free withold the whole truth from his tirak. He may have told her about the delayed payment, but did he tell her he got to approach samsters to borrow the money? All in all, did he tell his tirak about his financial situation? If one withold the truth form his tirak on one matter, isn't it likely that there may be truths being withheld? Notice here I did not say he lied, I say he witheld the truth.

There are other incidents which I was approached and informed about and I tried to make remedial actions for him without him realising it, but he doesn't make it easier for me to help him.

You may see him as a hardworker, determined to be with his tirak, and all that. But I see him as a person going on a true journey, but in an unrealistic way, and who doesn't give a damn about realistic matters by just shoving them aside.

You don't have to respect me, that's not a big deal. But I do know, the samster whom bro Free approached to borrow money does respect me as he felt that my intent was to help bro Free which he Pm me yesterday.

The people with whom he had matters with respect me for what I did or try to do for him without him realising.

By the way, your post is clearly in defence of bro Free, which has got nothing to do with the subject matter on what I posted. What I posted was to show how I analyse matters and maybe bro Free can prove to me that my analysis with regards to his relatipnship with his family and close friends are wrong. Or maybe you can do that on his behalf?

thaivisitor

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by aymy

Mr Thaivisitor, I am shocked at you. I really have to point out your mixup & whether you did it on purpose or not, only you know best.

And by the way,you and the so-called supporters of bro Free whom you "act" as good friends to him in this forum. You think you are all helping him by encouraging him to carry on his dream-like manner?

Well for me, if I have to bring a person down so badly that he may lose all faces in this forum and never to appear... so that he can come to his senses, I will. Because, ultimately if he comes to his senses, he can that work on a proper path towards a successful relationship with his beloved, and that, my friend, is eventually what matters. Not whether you respect me or respect him or whatever respect in this forum.

thaivisitor

By the way, I haven't even started to bring him down yet as I'm assessing the necessity by waiting for him to PM me.

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by LengKia

Well said but i do wonder what if i put my guard down against them.
Once the shield is remove sure die...otherwise we should project a tough image in front of the Thai WLs. scare die so must be protective nowdays...isn't that correct mindset to cheong.
Sometimes i really admire your courage and open heart attitute towards them . Are we inviting trouble?..no offend

LK, sometimes we dont engage in a clash head on, íf no guard/shield still have plenty of options to dodge, to flank, to counter etc. as i've mentioned in some of my previous posts, its wat the bloke wants at the end of the day. for some who cheong enough will totally retire from the GL scene, stay home, stare at ishak face n pcc, then when finish, put the ishak back into wallet.

some tired of the GL 1 on 1 scene move on to the international scene, or if not, try more challenging stuff like MMMF, FFFM, 2 on 2, MO, tarma, roast etc. others just tired of all the action, wanna go all out for the GF feeling (which is where the problem starts). its either, continuation in the bonking spree, training for endurance better than pornstars such as Rocco/Peter North...or then when the GF feeling kick in... cant stop the fire from burning. then at the end of the day? who's to be blamed? the guy paid for the GF feeling, the gal offered the GF feeling, guy RTF cos got GF feeling, then when the emotions set in...n when things didnt work out.. start to blame the gal for leading him on etc. then there'd be those that go for GF feeling, yet never bother to give the BF feeling, so the gal feel like talking to the wall... eventually dunno how to better demonstrate the GF feeling, so the guy goes paranoid n blame her for infidelity, say the gal dun love him anymore etc.

if wanna cheong then cheong, if wanna find WL/FL tirak then go find, if wanna find ex WL/FL as wife...by all means nobody stopping. nt as if none's aware of the consequences?? regardless decent gal or ex WL/FL, it still requires the effort, patience, communications & love. so if wanna have something worked out w a gal in the GL scene.. then dont let the occupation(its not a career to begin with) affect u. cos if u're the reason for her to believe that there's life after death... the occupation will die after she's redeemed by the love the guy offers. u'd be surprised by how some gals would require only that little from the guy, yet the guy cant promise... LOYALTY/FAITH & LOVE... no more butterflying around, no such thing as mia noi or another woman in the heart except for the mother & mother-in-law (grannies if still alive)

most TGs share sentiments about filial piety, understand the purpose of sacrificial/unconditional love for a greater cause, some choose to walk the tight rope, others rather the life-long pain n sufferings (to each her own), if marriage comes into the picture, some will love bcos of love, some will love bcos of prospects for better life, some will love out of duty, some cant find the courage to love - for fear of being hurt by the cheongster/butterflying man whom she married as a husband.

bottomline: if kam guan.. then half the battle is won. if buai kam guan... best to tuck tail & sound the retreat, rather than to be emotionally scarred. TRCR is not a thing for the faint hearted... having big heart also cant guarantee full capital return.

chok dee na krap~~

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by easyeasy

...out of goodwill, indicating to him that job must come first, have some savings and the last thing should then be cheonging...

i think this applies across the board for all the rest who're active & passive in this thread. even my gal reminded me about the importance of career - she offered no reasons/rationale to support her statement. wouldnt be stupid enough to think negative of it too, cos its precisely the man's fundamental duty in giving her the confidence & prospects for a stable future.

then of cos its later subject to one's luck if she's the 1 helping u to spend the earnings like water, or she'd be the gd wife to help u manage ur funds appropriately.

Originally Posted by DNAT

Frankly, if I have 3 tiraks r/s within a period of 2+ years .. I also xianzzzz

wow, uncle you not only in-ni lao jiao, also thai lao jiao. share share your experience leh. (post your tirak thread long time no ppl post liao).

[DNAT]

Originally Posted by sex_maniac2

wow, uncle you not only in-ni lao jiao, also thai lao jiao. share share your experience leh. (post your tirak thread long time no ppl post liao).

you din see I wrote if meh .. no lah, I dun have close r/s with any WLs, be it in-ni bu or siam bu unless I intend to marry a WL, if not talk so much also no use 1 . Action speaks louder than words .. hehe

[DNAT]

Uncle poolhot registered in Jun 2005 .. ???

Originally Posted by poolhot

this free is the king of avoidance. pretend to avoid this thread after being questioned but still can post here:
http://forum.sammyboy.com/showthread...08#post1042408

thank goodness he is exposed for being a liar and fiction story teller. good job Thaivisitor! i do not want to see his lame advises to cause big trouble for innocent bros.

if 1 person say he is a liar and fiction story teller. you can choose to doubt. but so many people say he is a liar and fiction story teller. then there must be some truth in it.

and also aymy you must be free's 'clone'. the one and only supporter. hahahaha.

Mr Poolhot,

In the 1st place, are you the original Poolhot? Show us some proof please.

Well whether I am Free's clone or not is not for you to say. I know I hardly post at all, but that does not negate what I had said. cos I seriously provoked out of curiousity as what I read posted by Mr Thaivisitor does not match what I thought I read previously. I believe that it is obvious I am not a clone or I would have posted a lot like he did, as I had observed that most clones tend to follow their "owner", and those you cloned are no different.

I went to thread you mentioned and I don't see how that could offend you if you are against his Tirak story. He talked about a different topic, and I wondered why you got upset? What's your point? You were upset simply because he posted something? Please.... be fair and as they sau, Dui She Bu Dui Ren. Address the content, not the person.

Whether you want to call him king of avoidance is your perogative. IMHO, I see him trying his best to answers many of the questions posted to him (and trying to do so from different angles) and I find it comforting that he still sticks to the same line and reasoning, and certainly NOT avoiding on purpose. While perhaps there might be some small differences in the words or angles he used, I cannot say that his story or direction has changed at all. Even if he is a fool at his Long Distance story, one had got to give it to him for being so faithful and single-minded about his direction and intention. So, let's give him some room lah.

Originally Posted by easyeasy

aiyah bro aymy, it is good that you put in a word for bro free but judging from bro TV character i dun think he is an unreasonable person. he is a seasoned cheongster. i believe what TV had posted to free is out of goodwill, indicating to him that job must come first, have some savings and the last thing should then be cheonging

BTW bro aymy what does your nick means huh?

It would be most natural for a person that when you sincerely want to help someone whom you sincerely believe is making a mistake, you will spend personal tme with him (as much as possible) and address the issues with him in a way that would be most personal to him, and always privately. A public dressings done in the way it was done is the last thing any good leader would do. I do not know what has transpired private (by PM or whatever) but from the post, I'd daresay I am sure little had transpired, if any.

I read somewhere that TV was an army leader and he ought to know better.Unless he belonged to the group of regulars who prefer to shaft their rank down a junior's throat. I hope he doesn't. I too hope that TV is a reasonable person. Enough badwill has been generated and it is time to stop. really nobody wins.

Please don't see it as I put in a word for Free. If that is want I wanted to do, I would have done it much earlier. No, I was simply responding to what I see as misrepresentation as I go through the threads I follow (alamak - means little time left to post, of course).

Before I go, just to say a little bit about myself. I have a Thai wife, an ex-GL WL no less. We have 2 lively kids now. So I am familiar with all the KC shit that you read about. But I also saw the goodness in her, and all my verifications about why she had to come here proved she did not tell me any lies (at least no intentional big ones). Over time, I become THE reason for her to be the woman she is today, and my faithfulness to her while she was still a WL played a bigger role that I care to think. Anyway her past is past. I don't dig it with her out anymore.

Any advice, if you asked me? Be true to your heart, but use all your senses to detect the incidents that made one a SF. Many are listed here in SB. Only don't thing that the lady has done it when she really hasn't. If the lady proves to be cheating you, drop her. Many of the things that happen in a relationship with a normal lady applies, as she is also a woman. And yes, learn thai well. It will make your journey so much easier.

My nick? Actually it is just "want or don't want" in Hokkien - something I asked myself when I started with this Thai ger. BTW, she was my 1st tirak. Before that, I had 2 other "tirak"s, 555

OK, going into a busy period again. Cannot post as much as I wished to. For the rest of you guys, enjoy and have fun.

[peterfish]

Originally Posted by DNAT

Uncle poolhot registered in Jun 2005 .. ???

This cloning thingy is getting more complicated.