KTV Kakis

[omnia]

Think it is even worse than that...

Appears that these ktv bistros were not even enforcing the basic TT regulations...

Like I said abv, typical nightlife/vice type of biz owner...yes they should be held responsible...but at the same time the Govt should also be held responsible for not ensuring that the regulations and restrictions were being properly and effectively enforced...more so when you are dealing with this type of biz owners...

Originally Posted by Naka_Timo

The question is that, convert to bistro is under license of F & B. maybe got alchool license too but i dont tink will have entertainment license. IF need viet gal, viet gal must have work permit as waitress or server or crew not hostress.
if have bisto license, i think these may not happen

[Earnestball]

Originally Posted by omnia

Think it is even worse than that...

Appears that these ktv bistros were not even enforcing the basic TT regulations...

Like I said abv, typical nightlife/vice type of biz owner...yes they should be held responsible...but at the same time the Govt should also be held responsible for not ensuring that the regulations and restrictions were being properly and effectively enforced...more so when you are dealing with this type of biz owners...

Dealing with KTV pivoting to proper F&B is a bit of a mirage involving naivete on one side.

We can not do a review of Covid response. Politicians all over the world basically can't withstand scrutiny. There may even be a Duriangate.

[Naka_Timo]

Originally Posted by omnia

Think it is even worse than that...

Appears that these ktv bistros were not even enforcing the basic TT regulations...

Like I said abv, typical nightlife/vice type of biz owner...yes they should be held responsible...but at the same time the Govt should also be held responsible for not ensuring that the regulations and restrictions were being properly and effectively enforced...more so when you are dealing with this type of biz owners...

Just share a different opinion and no hard feeling

I think they giving green green for them to open to benefit them but they have to do their due diligent to convert into bistro and making it like bistro obtaining license for that and then SDA job is to check they limit the number of people entering as well as safe distancing too.

However, the KTV thing mostly the owner should full blame. Already tell them guide them what to do to convert to bistro instead of staying as KTV. They want do by left, then make sure don't get caught or get into trouble. This is SAF code value. Do anything don't get caught. By now, they do let government came clean shit for them so sure have to come down hard on them.

[fallen11]

suddenly even in ktv thread, everyone turned holy and clean saying ktv to blame, vietbu to blame.
To me, its ownself play ownself pay. thats it
If you think even we can hide from Delta without ktvs, i really dunno what to say.
There are no safe places anymore if even hawker centre (redhill bukit merah clusters) can create big clusters (despite restrictions)!

[Frankenstein77]

Ya lor.

The girls are the most innocent. They are just doing their job. Now the government taking action on them is like looking for scapegoats. The real guilty ones are the operators and owners.

[deathnitez]

Originally Posted by fallen11

suddenly even in ktv thread, everyone turned holy and clean saying ktv to blame, vietbu to blame.

Nah I am never holy is cause of covid then turn holy I totally left the scene since last year Jan when my regular China ml back in china told me about the virus. Is choice and I choose to protect ppl around me. So blue ball till now. I like to play and will definitely play once is safe to do so. I believe there is other bros who does that. But I do like come sbf once in awhile to see juicy stories lol.

[nycheong]

Originally Posted by Frankenstein77

Ya lor.

The girls are the most innocent. They are just doing their job. Now the government taking action on them is like looking for scapegoats. The real guilty ones are the operators and owners.

Wow you belief the KTV hostesses are innocent

[ah_jo]

The "boyfriend" is a Tua Pek Kong, probably dunno the girl for a bar of soap.

The person who engage the TPK also known as "agents" is the one causing all these shit. Last time when PRC girls causing menace in SG, one TPK can sign sponsor 5 girls to come in to SG and i remember it was 500/headcount sponsored, now after clearing shit from the PRC girls, i think can max only sponsor 2 to come in from such "backward" countries and they need to have "show money" to show that they can spend in sg and dont need to moonlight. This is going down as a spiral effect ...

As for operators, they no choice also, no girls who want to go and "eat" and spend money there, where there is honey there will be bees. Govt also know cannot clamp everything as society requires balancing, really clamp down rape cases will go up i am sure and India is a good example.

Already legal prostitutions now stopped, they are seeking balance i suppose yet threading on thin thin ice and now explodes then they have to clear up the mess. As the saying goes, nothing happen all are happy making $, when something happens and the public resentment rises, someone just have to take the blame and step up to the chopping board to please the public, in this instance, the operator, the agent for foreign girls and the foreign girl in question has to be slayed.

[kthan10]

These viets are probably overstayers? STVP is 1 month right? Read in the news she come to SG in Feb

[piichai]

Originally Posted by kthan10

These viets are probably overstayers? STVP is 1 month right? Read in the news she come to SG in Feb

Its extendable one.

[piichai]

Originally Posted by ah_jo

The "boyfriend" is a Tua Pek Kong, probably dunno the girl for a bar of soap.

Can be bf. Those married man but cannot take them as wives or gf because got CO at home.
Pay them money keeo then as mistress, bring them here but cannot give them status so let them survive on their own by working as ML or FL or free lance Hostess.

Can be old man and act like TPK. Make money, get perks or mutual benefits.

Can be truly bf, rich man son and bao them and they STEAL EAT outside.
The bf also happening and playing around.

What else?

[formidable]

Originally Posted by formidable

Business getting better and better as supreme cluster getting more supreme and bigger ,not sure if hit off the top chart as largest supreme cluster of all times.

There are now a total of 120 cases linked to the KTV cluster, making it the largest active cluster in the country


https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...ul-16-15231412

[hannibald]

Originally Posted by omnia

Think it is even worse than that...

Appears that these ktv bistros were not even enforcing the basic TT regulations...

Like I said abv, typical nightlife/vice type of biz owner...yes they should be held responsible...but at the same time the Govt should also be held responsible for not ensuring that the regulations and restrictions were being properly and effectively enforced...more so when you are dealing with this type of biz owners...

Talk is always easy, hindsight is always 20/20.

Maybe you should go talk to the 400 odd business owners who invested hundred of thousands of dollars each into their KTV licenses, liquor licenses, renovation, rental, etc.

Or maybe can talk to their family who rely on the owners to put bread on the table.

Better still, talk to the 2000 - 3000 employees of such KTV turned bistros, ask them how they going to survive if such premises remained closed for such extended period.

[omnia]

Exactly and we'll put buddy, especially the word "naivete"...

Just saw LW on the 9pm news earlier this evening...LW was asked a very interesting and significant Q by the media...what happened to the enforcement measures viz these material ktv bistros?...LW looked flustered and sounded so defensive while actually failing to answer this Q properly...in effect LW said the authorities are trying their best but resources are really stretched and authorities are relying on public to be responsible and also to be whistle-blowers...shockingly naive statement...Govt also now shutting down all ktv bistros for the time being...well better late than never I guess...

Let me also add that I like LW and have high hopes for him...but I must say this fiasco and what he had to say about it has made me question his leadership abilities a bit...apart from the task force i blame LHL as well becuz end of the day he is still the sitting PM...

Originally Posted by Earnestball

Dealing with KTV pivoting to proper F&B is a bit of a mirage involving naivete on one side.

No worries buddy, we are all sharing our povs...

As for the ktv bistro issue see my comments abv...govt really too naive and simple when dealing with these ktv bistros owners...

As for the SAF Code thinggy ...sorry but this Covid pandemic is not just an ordinary national crisis but the most critical serious national crisis to hit Singapore since we were booted out of Malaysia in 65'...cannot leave it to chance and must try as much possible to preempt such furtive breaches of the health protocols and restrictions...the consequences of failing to do this are immense and v painful as can be seen now...

Originally Posted by Naka_Timo

Just share a different opinion and no hard feeling

I think they giving green green for them to open to benefit them but they have to do their due diligent to convert into bistro and making it like bistro obtaining license for that and then SDA job is to check they limit the number of people entering as well as safe distancing too.

However, the KTV thing mostly the owner should full blame. Already tell them guide them what to do to convert to bistro instead of staying as KTV. They want do by left, then make sure don't get caught or get into trouble. This is SAF code value. Do anything don't get caught. By now, they do let government came clean shit for them so sure have to come down hard on them.

[edkoh2000]

Originally Posted by piichai

You are wrong, these girls and men will be the same people in pubic tpt with you, eat in the same table, in the same food queue or using the toilet before you.

It is not longer limit to KTVs

very true.