woes of a tirak

[free]

Originally Posted by singrakthai

Uncle free. Seriously huh.... I really respect u for ur commitment in learning the phasa thai. I think most Thai will appreciate ur efforts too... but i still think u very ge yen.. hehe.. can i ask u these questions.. u just answer directly lah.. point forms easier for me to catch ok?

1) U "interview" the WL/FL... but u go to the WH with the intention to f the lady or "get to know" the lady?
2) after lending ur shoulder to cry on, did u RTF?
3) Did u ever tell ur so-call NORMAL Thai friends about ur adventures in geylang?
4) If u did, whats their reaction and opionions of u after?

gentlemen and hyprocrite very thin line apart leh...

I only share details of my past that I deem private with ppl close to me. Well I have not met you..... I dun see any obligation.

Whether I rtf or not is my problem not yours. If I liked the lady, I did and many times too. I still contact some of them today, way after the ORD.They never expected me to be thier tirak nor, was I ever under any illusion I was one. But I don't see a need to fall into a KC trap. We can be friends but not lovers simply cos I have already made a personal decision not to start a tirakship with an active WL/FL. Normal friends, I am selective. Depends on what r/s I want to have them and that my perogative, not yrs. They dun need to change their opinion of me, cos I stay who I am the day I met them, If anyone knows all about my past as much as I can remember, my tirak does. That she chose to stay with me after knowing who I am, past and present, is my priviledge and mine alone, just as I had done for her. At least I know what is mutual love and acceptance. Hope u had the chance to experienced it too.

What I do with my thai language is none of yr business; how can it affect u? I chose to share what I had learnt, with those who are keen to learn, for I understand the difficulties and frustration they faced, having walked thatvery road myself. Why should u bother? I dun understand. I have experienced my benefits in learning/using thai and again they had nothing to do with you? Why should it bug you?

Clearly we are of 2 different worlds, and neither is better or worse than the other. We just value and measure ppl and things differently. So let it be.

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by hoodlum

... let's not word around basic established norms. An analogy. A basic tenet in morality on the social context is that it is morally wrong to engage in commercial sex. I engaged in it and I have to accept that it is morally wrong. There's no point in justifying why I went for commercial sex etc. It is still morally wrong...

morally wrong is what people say, bt still if there werent the need/demand, there wouldnt be supplies. lets admit it, its gonna just cycle round n round for infinity. my intentions for this thread is to assist those in the tirakship thingy. be it to better prepare them based on other's testimonies or for the future (that's if they decide to be w the WL now n forever), which brings about how n y some posts r illustrating their background issues.

i'm not going outright to defend & protect the WLs cos its only within my means to share w readers here the perspectives that many r unaware of, overlooked or ignored in the recent past.

not going full on to proclaim that tirakship will be successful, bcos it still takes 2 to tango (nevertheless there's been a few blissful marriages for the record). just trying to share the news w fellas out there, that the WL is still a puying thai after ORD, and she can still move on, get on with life, marry, have kids n have a happy family. the underlining factor here is.. its the tirak's choice if the husband will be him, or just another incapable bummer who gives her the reset button, n that she goes thru the same old stint, or if not the kids would 1 day re-live the torment of her mom's in the next decade or so.

anyway bro, to be married n have kids is a birth-right. its the wrecked society that prevents those who've come of age to afford/raise a proper family in present day context. therefore, commercial sex though immoral.. bt i'd say its ethical.

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by singrakthai

...Initially I think this thread is for s'porean guys who become "tirak" with local WL/FL and then got woes to share... true enough i think the earlier posts are people in this category.. but then dunno why suddenly Mr Suteerak linked normal TG with WL/FL.. then also compare WL/FL with other jobs... for 1, relationship with TG and relationship with WL/FL is totally different ok? 2, no body likes to be compared with a whore. U ask the Thai people lor.... u tell a WL/FL, oh i think ur job no different than a lawyer or doctor, they maybe laugh and think u crazy. Then U tell a Thai lawyer or doctor, oh, i thnk u job no different than a WL/FL...... duh
just my opinions.
peace

bro, nobody begged u to join or stay in my thread. if u find the contents irrelevant n senseless, u're most welcome to leave... dunno y u're still idling here posting n rebuking hard facts. face it.. u're in a state of denial, thinking too highly or lowly of others.

Originally Posted by singrakthai

... many times because of the lack of understanding in their language and culture, we get alot of misunderstandings... thus leads to quarrels.. thus leads to "no happenings for the night".

got the cheek to admit that u had issues w ur tirak due to communication breakdowns, not understading enought of their culture/mentality etc. yet doing nothing bt just rebuking the facts that r presented to u. u wanna have a thai tirak, then u better get ur act together, start thinking, speaking, eating like a thai... if u cant even be bothered to even try to understand her.. then i'd say u're doomed for failure for any rship regardless of nationality/race.

boy.. grow up pls. u push away the spoon that feeds u.. dun go crying that u're being neglected n left to starve.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by free

...... You must be a very generous employer, paying better than the MNCs who come to LOS to set up plants for what! To make money lah......

....I am only saying when someone quotes 12,000 as the average grad's pay, it does not commensurate with the salaries of my grad friends who has been working for some years - ......But I also wondered why do you get so upset?

...... I am asking questions for us to think about and consider, yes based on the several cases I see and experienced for myself. ....

....You seemed to enjoy telling ppl what to do, right down to how many kids they ought to have, if they should even get married. And maybe to do it ur way? That is your perogative. I am not in postion to tell these parents what to do. They are already married and had their kids when I knew them. Nothing I say will ever make a difference.

Has this got to do with the woes of the tirak, yes it does. It helps to put in perspective that for every one WL/FL who had a choice (given her education and opportunities available to her to earn a decent pay with decent job), there are many others who had no choice given the burden they feel that had to bear - parents, sibilings and kids even.....

I have had the opportunity to "pump" my stomach full with tap water during school recess (as a growing child) cos I had no money to buy food for a large portion of my primary school days cos my parents were not making enough. Was my dad lazy and bad? Heck no. He does not drink, gamble nor cheong. Nor does he have the luxury of taking MCs or vacation. He only rested one day a year on CNY day.......

First of all bro, I'm not upset at anything. I think you know me better than that. The way I post, is the way I try to "correct" my friends. Others, I sometimes may not even bother.

I completely understand your post in reply to bro singrakthai. Probably your delivery appears too "authorative" and may be seen by some as the "know all" or "answer all".

When you state "I just want to give a realistic perspective of income levels for fresh grads" in reply to bro singrakthai's 12,000 baht average income, would make it as if he is giving wrong figures and that you know better. That shouldn't be the way to reply. You can just say that some or most of the fresh grads you know are not that fortunate, etc, etc. For that matter, I too know of grads working several years with lower income. I "challenge" you when your posts seemed "challenging" to others, probably giving you a little bit of taste of your own medicine.

When we posts, other than humor, we need to put in a little facts or else it may seem that our statements have not taken anything else into consideration. Take for example, stating "You must be a very generous employer, paying better than the MNCs who come to LOS to set up plants for what!" is a sweeping statement. Firstly, everyone knows that there are many MNCs paying more than what I pay my staff and there may be some paying less. Also, maybe if you compare job to job, I may be paying lower.

I don't say I live a comfortable life. Having a comfortable life means I don't have to work. What's so comfortable when I was arrested and put to remand twice? What's so confortable when I have to travel ever so often in my scope of work? What's so comfortable about spending less time with my family? I live a realistic life and do what I have to do even if it is uncomfortable. The reason is that I want to provide my family with as comfortable a life as I can. And believe you me, there are many, much better off than me that I can't hold a candle to them, just that they keep quiet about it.

I have nothing against any woman, Thai or otherwise, educated or not, who have to sell her body to support her family or whatever. I know of many of them, probably much more than anyone else in this forum. The point is, what is there for anyone to understand the burden they are carrying? Their situation is because of how they make their lives to be. The same goes for a family man in Singapore who has to carry the burden of paying off the tremendous bills of his family of six kids. There's nothing for us, nor is there any need for us to understand the burden they're carrying. Heck, most of the WLs in GL are in that sort of situation. So what? If you understand their burden of being a responsible daughter, do you go to GL and donate $40 without fucking her? Adding to what you say, nothing we say or do will make any difference to their lives.

As for choices, there are many poor families in the villages who are contented with their way of lives without having to send a daughter to sell her body. They live on whatever they have and it appears sufficient for them too. My brother in law is one of them. With a 3,000 Baht income, he supports his wife and daughter and never has any complains. He doesn't gambles, drinks traditional rice wines, smoke "rolled" cigarettes, etc. He even managed to dave to buy his own second-hand bike. There are many like him too.

There always are choices. Choices like how many kids to have. Choices like whether to gamble or not. Choices like going a bit further to find work with a slightly higher income or staying nearer home with a lower income. If these choices were made properly, there wouldn't be, or there would be less such situations of "no choice" has to be WLs. To put it backwards, for every effect, there was a cause, be it your father or my father. The cause could be from our grandparents for that matter.

Lastly, stay cool.

My 2 baht worth.
thaivisitor

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by sex_maniac2

if suteerak1099 go to the LDTR thread and join forces with free, i think the thread will put people with insomnia to sleep without having to use sleeping pills.

For once, you amuse me. kekekeke so I up your points.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Since this thread is on woes of a tirak, then we talk about woes of tirak.

So what are the woes actually?......

i support SC's post that we "deviate" back to the orginal intent of this thread. The woes of guys being tiraks of WLs or the woes of guys who has WLs as tiraks.

Cheers
thaivisitor

[suteerak1099]

TV & SC, thanx for the initiation for veering back to the thread topic. Being the thread starter, perhaps i shall make the call...at least i make my intention clear.

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

i support SC's post that we "deviate" back to the orginal intent of this thread. The woes of guys being tiraks of WLs or the woes of guys who has WLs as tiraks...

to begin with...

1) basis: there's no hard n fast rule as to which side of the story may be. it would even be a bonus if the woes of the WL aka tirak's thoughts n feelings can be captured n shared in here.

2) topic: it can be perceived or should i say applicable to all who've got a TG for a tirak. ortherwise it should've been labelled 'woes of a sayang' or 'woes of a ai-ren' where it applies to other nationalities in the GL scene.

3) purpose: is not to advocate marriage for all w their tirak, but more so for posts & correspondences to encourage those with problems in the TRCR or to share opinions/pointers that they may understand, and eventually know how to handle situations. if marriage becomes destiny for those serious enough, then by all means... we've got a few additional ultimate tiraks/suteeraks here. even if things didnt work out, fret not cos there's a lesson learnt n hopefully moving on n becoming a better man, for the next gal that comes along.

4) boundaries: many a-times its more of infatuation for those who claim they're in a tirakship (just bcos they received Gf feeling/KC treatment from the gals). hence, we've the liberty of providing perspective from all angles.

5) spam: one-liner nuisance, lame jokes with nothing constructive, flaming n blesphemy r definately not appreciated here. those comments n sick jokes can save it for kopitiam tcss & boost watever rembrant ego remaining inside those clowns... cheap thrill if u may call it.

kudos to those who've been patiently n passionately sharing their insights/opinions in my thread. its evident that they're all out of good-will & intent...and i must say that they r very much appreciated...pls keep the posts coming in. justifications & references r inevitable where issues r subjectives and my earnest request is for us to avoid rebuking each other. more importantly, i wish for all to adopt a wider mindset & perspective, not to be influenced or confined in mentality that everything is as "smooth-sailing" as perceived in sunny-island singapore.

korb kun mak krup~!~!

[peterfish]

Originally Posted by sex_maniac2

I have a TG friend. A graduate who earns 15000B a month. She comes from a well to do family. She wants to come to singapore to visit me but said that she dont have enough money to buy air ticket.

Should I ask her to do FL for a few days to get the money to pay for her holiday?

Firstly all of us know you have no real frens in Singapore, let alone have a TG who is living in Thailand. Suddenly out of the blue, you cropped up this TG. Sound like a bullshit story again from you.

Let's assume you really have one, why ask her to do FL? Now you wanna to be OKT, is it?

Lastly why would she wanna to visit you since you are nobody to her as it seems you are too stingy to pay for her "less than SGD200" airfare.

Again I don't understand what is your agenda in cooking up this story but it would appear you would just like to attract more media airtime as usual.

[peterfish]

Originally Posted by piterfish

peter, you forgot to read this

Ha ha. You sad fuck, Sex Maniac 2. Your pathetic attempt to generate attention by spinning such a stupid tale has been exposed by me and now, instead of replying me directly, you chose to use your clone Piterfish to speak on your behalf. Go and get a extreme make over of your Ugly face.

[OceanEleven]

Originally Posted by singrakthai

but then dunno why suddenly Mr Suteerak linked normal TG with WL/FL.. then also compare WL/FL with other jobs... for 1, relationship with TG and relationship with WL/FL is totally different ok? 2, no body likes to be compared with a whore. U ask the Thai people lor.... u tell a WL/FL, oh i think ur job no different than a lawyer or doctor, they maybe laugh and think u crazy. Then U tell a Thai lawyer or doctor, oh, i thnk u job no different than a WL/FL...... duh
just my opinions.
peace

Perhaps you are infuriated with his links of normal, generally TGs to the WLs and hence the continuous elucidation to voice and mark your points but in return your words and indirectly caused some exasperation. As the discussion prolong and more in depth, we have come to a point of languish and “The more we say, the blacker it gets.” Conceivably, we can simply slow down the discussion or choose to hold their silence and not let the whole matter blow out of proportion.

I personally think no matter who they are and what they do, they are different, single individual who are vying for survival in the society. Many have genuine reasons for choosing the path but some are out of contemplation and some out of compellation. Whatever it may be, at the point of entering, the TGs would not be as mendacious as we all talk about now. Some point of time in the line of duty, many trivial matters transpired and contributed to the “Who she is now” and attributed the fact that her customers are the “driving force” for such transformation.

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

...SM2 is diff from the clones. You ever hear the saying, Borrow Knife and Kill Others?

If your reaction to SM2's post is like this, don't you see yourself turning into like SM or SM2 or whatever you think he is before?

When someone changed, he himself don't realise. Only bystanders can see the whole picture clearer.

1 more woes of a tirak

Is when he realises that there are a majority of the forum people who don't stand on the same side as him...

ok SC, maybe i was too quick to shoot off, sad thing is some things that SM2 posts at times gimme doubt if its truly him or just 1 of the clowns SM or whoever that is. so let this be a public apology for outcasting our fren SM2.

least he still deserve credit for his sanity unlike the wannabe who tries to clone him. perhaps also on account that...unless SM2 can prove who he really is.. n nt give us the childsih crap.. i'd be sure he's more than welcome in this thread

[free]

Originally Posted by sex maniac

what happened? i just came back from a short holiday. is he kaput or something?

Ought to be ashamed of yourself. wanna copy ppls signature and have no idea what it means.. and can't even copy properly!

Been keeping quiet and observing. Now I know u are simply to stupid to even notice AND you can;t read! Cut and paste also got problem!

My signature - the real thingy:
สุดที่รักของดีฉัน...อยู่ในหัวใจดีฉันเสมอ
sùt tîi rák kɔ̆ɔng dii chăn . . . yùu nai hŭa jai dii chăn sà-mə̆ə
My Darling... in my heart, always.


Your copy: What a fake
สุดที่รักของดีฉัน...อยู่ในหัวใจดีฉันเสมอ
sùt tîi rák kɔ̆ɔng dii chăn . . . yùu nai hŭa jai dii chăn sà-mə̆ə
My Darling... in my heart, always.

Is your whole life one of forgery and pretence? Loser!

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by sex maniac

suteerak1099 are you the big boss here?

SM, i'm the thread starter so i just wanna get my intentions clear n lay some guidelines. if u find that wat i wrote here not in ur favor... then bobian...either u change for the better or remain the clown u've been, u r, n u will ever be... lol

[free]

Originally Posted by sex maniac

http://forum.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?p=1000903

What an Idiot you are. I can speak/read/write thai, so what has it go to do with you? U think u so good, copy here copy there u oredi know liao, U no need to learn one, u geng maak maak one.

Tsk tsk, the only way u know how to answer something u have no answer to (after u kena flamed for trying to be "keh kiang") is to :

1. Avoid the question altogether - act bloody blur vos dun know how to read mah
2. try to distract the issue.by point to something else
3. give a stupig one-liner that has nothing to do with the subject at hand
4. find a way to copy something again

Everytime ppl see yr copy cat signature, what will they do? Laugh at Sex Maniac of course! Copy cat oso cannot copy properly! Man!, What a Useless Bum you are! Born Loser!


U wanna know what is the best thing for you and yr clones to do?
Quietly go to one corner and Die

[zunbo]

Me on this topic...

My gal just told me that she will be going back soon..... Hmmm....Don't know shd be happy or sad....

Happy; simple! She don't have to 'Open her legs' to earn money anymore.

Sad; cos i might be able to see her anymore and i kinda worry abt her future. Like how will life be for her? will she be able to support herself when she goes home? My worst and most fear thoughts, she will go back into this line if she needs the $$ to support her family.

so many other issues going round my mind....