I Cannot Believe My Eyes

[xyz1001]

Originally Posted by Charmaine

Love is a strange thing. I hope he finds peace. Human beings long for love their entire lives, even more so that they do money, because this is the only one thing money can never buy, and many have died or killed in a bid to find it. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. Most of the time, though, we're all slaves to this thing called love. As much as I admire the big-balls, ego-maniac talk that many forummers here like to proclaim, the fact will remain that all of us have a beating human heart, and we spend our lives looking for that someone to love and to love us back that same way. In the meantime, we die.

Originally Posted by colins

I'll prove my sincerity, I'll prove I love you more, I'll prove that with the only thing I have, my life. Having no room given, he did the only thing he could do, he went and prove it.

Love is indeed a strange thing, and it exist in many forms.
What kind of love are you looking for?

Boy met girl,
boy fell in love with girl,
boy did EVERYTHING possible to win her heart,
and these lasted for years.
Girl never felt so loved in her life and became a couple.

Perhaps many may think this is a happy ending, but to me, i think the girl is just touched by what the boy has done for her. She is just being loved.

One day, she met someone else, someone she really love and would do EVERTHING for him... What happens?
One day, the boy ran out of energy to do the things that touches her... What happens?
How many couples actually stays together??

Man, really dun need to prove so much,
If she is yours, she will be yours.

[mike1304k]

I do not know why, but why does loving someone have to be proving something or doing something? I'll tell you a story of the 2nd year of my dating my wife. It was April 1st and she told me that she was now having second thoughts. First thing that came to my mind was that she had patched up with her ex. Or that she found loving a foreigner too demanding. I said to her "if you are breaking to go back to the ex, good luck to you because he gambles and wastes money". If you think that you have found happiness somewhere else, then I will let you go to allow you the chance to find out". It of course shattered me and I was going from standing to sitting position. But in the end, it was a silly April Fool's joke that blew up in her face.

But seriously, love is not about who's dick is longer and or who earns more or who loves more. It is about who you love. When you love someone, it feels like your heart is about to explode. It is about to explode from the love you feel. You will do anything for the person, and love that person in everyway, just so that the person can love you back, even for a little bit. That may be a romantic way of putting it, but remember the love parents have for children? It is unconditional. It is self sacrificing. That is love.

[colins]

And love is certainly not an April Fools' joke which you can tell again on the second year.

[repsolman]

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

To me...its only 1 reason...MENTALITY!
One who take his/her own life has done the right thing, they dun deserve to be around......

This is an interesting thread, and a learning experience just reading the comments.

Was wondering if you can share your views on euthanasia? Looks at the government will legalise it at some point, looking at the trial balloons going up recently. Thanks.

[Panamera]

Originally Posted by repsolman

This is an interesting thread, and a learning experience just reading the comments.

Was wondering if you can share your views on euthanasia? Looks at the government will legalise it at some point, looking at the trial balloons going up recently. Thanks.

Passive euthanasia have been practising in Singapore for years. I think you are referring to Active Euthanasia – a way for sound minded people to decide when to die…

Call me old thinking despite a western education, To me - Filial piety (孝) to our parents and love ones is the first virtue and a primary basis in our Chinese culture. Personally I am against it and will take a public stand against mercy killing

Euthanasia should not be equated to painless death. It cannot be… Regardless of the arguement that it can be a good death if patient family and all the loved ones feel that the decision is right but it is a major challenge because there is probably no good death. Death is a permanent separation and a definite step towards unknown. For those with omnipotent powers by their side, perhaps this process is easier but there is no easy way out…

Regardless of one's illness, and however sick one is, he or she shall not be killed because of desperation and loss of hope of recovery. Even with the consent or request of the patient, it is regarded as suicide and aggression against the other.

I am also VERY CONFIDENT that all respective religious (except Hindu) will come out staunchly against all forms of passive and active euthanasia, ranging from the denial of treatment, food and water to the administration of a lethal injection.

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Well said bro, well said.

[Panamera]

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

Well said bro, well said.

In fact, I ended a friendship with an associate 5/6 years ago due to this.

This ex-associate's father had a fall in the toilet and hit his head..and didn’t regain conscious for weeks but is alive...He and his sister both agreed to opt for a passive euthanasia because it was deem too troublesome to take care by his children as they do not know when he will wake up!!!!!!!

I know that it is his personal family matters, but I cannot bring myself to remain on friendly term with people who are not filial, my simple reason is this: If you can’t even love/ treat your own parents well then what about friends?

His father sent both kids to study in states, gave them a condo unit each (1 for his married sister and 1 for him) and ensured that both will have a good easy life. Yet what did he have in return? Ended life prematurely.

He related it to us during the funeral and that was the last time we kept in touch..I didn’t even attend his wedding last year…

Giving birth to a piece of char siew is better than them!!! WTF!

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Karma dude...they'll receive their karma in due time!
Its nottin short of LEGAL murder!
To me, unless the person him/herself calls the shot...i may still be able to accept.
For cases like there's no known cure and the patient will just die in MAJOR pain and suffering, if due to his own conscious decision, this i can understand.
But, if one is unconscious and someone pulls the plug on his behalf, it's nottin less than MURDER!

[petrolheadsg]

Back to the topic ...

firstly my condolences to the family of the deceased and also to the pain felt by those close to this boy.

Another observation is that there are many, both young and not so young that look for love in all the wrong places. Now I dont want to get into a discussion about prejudices against china girls but honestly, a lot of brothers who fail (for one reason or other) to have a relationship with local girls then look for love in pubs, ktvs, etc While in the throes of passion and blinded by lust, they mistake this to be love???? And when they get "cheated" they cry blue murder and then join the faction that condemns "china girls"?

Honestly, these bros need to first sort out their self esteem issues and learn more about managing relationships.

Not here to preach morality...far from it. But at least go about relationships sensibly. Look for a girlfriend where you find decent gals. You want to play with gals from ktvs and what not...fine...just recognize it for what it is...play.

Cant find a good local gal? Look to yourself and see if there are any shortcomings or areas for improvement first please. Btw I have had real relationships with BOTH local and non-local gals (I exclude those in the entertainment world and that includes not just your Xiao Jies but also KJs, foot massage gals, etc) so I think I have earned at least some credibility to say this from my own personal experience.

[mike1304k]

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

Karma dude...they'll receive their karma in due time!
Its nottin short of LEGAL murder!
To me, unless the person him/herself calls the shot...i may still be able to accept.
For cases like there's no known cure and the patient will just die in MAJOR pain and suffering, if due to his own conscious decision, this i can understand.
But, if one is unconscious and someone pulls the plug on his behalf, it's nottin less than MURDER!

For me I will only consider it if the following conditions are fulfilled:
1) When the mind is irreparably damaged and there is no hope of recovery. If this is the case, I have given instructions that my organs be harvested for donation.

2) If there is terminal, not chronic only, disease and the choice is long painful treatment that will only give you a very slim chance of survival. I was faced with this choice once before.. being diagnosed for 2 brain tumours. Could die from them, just do not know when.. I chose life... I chose to fight. But if the tumours were too big and survival seems slim, I would consider not taking anything other than pain meds and just going like that.

3) If the patient has left expressed instructions to leave him to die naturally without trying to revive him. I have left such instructions with wife that if I were to become incapable, she has to turn off the switch. (life support equipment). The reason is I do not want to be a burden to her and the family and I know that by living, I would be a constant emotional drain. Better off that I am dead and that she get on with her life.

4) If and when I have lost my mind and am speaking gibberish, then it is also time for me to go. Because I really do not want to be a burden and also to cause any problems... So bring me to the deepest mountain and leave me there, just like the old days of Japan. I want to go with pride and honour.

This is my take lah... There are many reason why one might want to leave. And sometimes it may be better to give them the diginity to leave as painlessly and as smoothly as possible.

I had a similar experience with a fren once. His dad had a massive stroke. The CT scans and even the best doctors said that his dad's only future is to become a vegetable. It was so massive that half his brain had a blood clot. So when my fren's dad's heart started to fail, he decided to let his dad go. He was fully able to look after his dad and looking after him was his honour. But he knew his dad was a proud man, who did not want to be a vegetable and be carried up and down... I cannot say anything on this, but it is a choice he has to live with. I have coffee with him ever so often and he is still very haunted by his choice. It was not an easy choice, it was not a choice of choosing the easy way out. But he was trying to do what he thought his father wanted. He prays to his father everyday and goes to the temple just so that he can reconcile his thoughts and decision.

On the flip side, my dad-in-law is also half paralysed. He also had a stroke.. So I know what I say and I have quite a few personal experience. I ask him how he feels and he says sometimes he wished he had gone. But if he did, he would not have been around for his children's weddings. But now he cannot work, cannot do very much and has to stay at home... Which to him is also quite painful.

Just my two cents worth... We can say many things... but it is until we are faced with the true depths of the situation, we will never know how we will react.

[slider_72]

Originally Posted by Panamera

This ex-associate's father had a fall in the toilet and hit his head..and didn’t regain conscious for weeks but is alive...He and his sister both agreed to opt for a passive euthanasia because it was deem too troublesome to take care by his children as they do not know when he will wake up!!!!!!!

I am in full agreement with you on the point that filial piety is very important and sorely lacking in our society nowadays. But in relation to your post about your ex-associate, with all due respect, an outright condemnation of what they did may require some qualification.

Assuming that your ex-associate's father was hospitalised in Singapore, more probable than not the doctors would have explained his condition to the family members. Passive euthanasia is not something that you can opt for without the doctor's recommendation. I think his father's condition must be quite bad, so bad so that the doctor could have suggested this option as a possibility. Even if the children wanted passive euthanasia for their father, this cannot be done without the attending doctor's approval. The attending doctor's approval would probably be subject to the ethics committee's review and approval before it can be carried out.

If it is something that was supported by the doctor's recommendation, perhaps that might be the best thing for the patient. Imagine a scenario where due to the impact on the head, the patient is comatose with extensive cerebral haemorrage, swelling within the cranium cavity and damaged cerebral cortex, the patient is probably as good as dead with zero chance of survival. Passive euthanasia in such a situation, to put it crudely, puts the patient out of his misery.

Therefore, before anyone condemns the children who opts for passive euthanasia for their sick parent, one needs to understand the condition in which the sick parent was in, what were the chances of survival, what will happen to the patient if he/she survives, the quality of life, etc and what are the doctor's recommendations.

[Panamera]

Originally Posted by slider_72

Therefore, before anyone condemns the children who opts for passive euthanasia for their sick parent, one needs to understand the condition in which the sick parent was in, what were the chances of survival, what will happen to the patient if he/she survives, the quality of life, etc and what are the doctor's recommendations.

Accordingly he related to us that "no point let him hanging there"

My point of view is that he could just let his father end his life in a natural way....Even with a zero chance of survival, let him live for just a day or a week or even an hour...Doctor recommandation is 1 thing but thats not the Doctor father.... as a son he make the call....

[mike1304k]

Originally Posted by slider_72

I am in full agreement with you on the point that filial piety is very important and sorely lacking in our society nowadays. But in relation to your post about your ex-associate, with all due respect, an outright condemnation of what they did may require some qualification.

Assuming that your ex-associate's father was hospitalised in Singapore, more probable than not the doctors would have explained his condition to the family members. Passive euthanasia is not something that you can opt for without the doctor's recommendation. I think his father's condition must be quite bad, so bad so that the doctor could have suggested this option as a possibility. Even if the children wanted passive euthanasia for their father, this cannot be done without the attending doctor's approval. The attending doctor's approval would probably be subject to the ethics committee's review and approval before it can be carried out.

If it is something that was supported by the doctor's recommendation, perhaps that might be the best thing for the patient. Imagine a scenario where due to the impact on the head, the patient is comatose with extensive cerebral haemorrage, swelling within the cranium cavity and damaged cerebral cortex, the patient is probably as good as dead with zero chance of survival. Passive euthanasia in such a situation, to put it crudely, puts the patient out of his misery.

Therefore, before anyone condemns the children who opts for passive euthanasia for their sick parent, one needs to understand the condition in which the sick parent was in, what were the chances of survival, what will happen to the patient if he/she survives, the quality of life, etc and what are the doctor's recommendations.

Exactly my fren's case lor... But the thing is... some people still want to cling onto to hope... Some do not want the patient to "suffer". Just like the parents of the boy in coma for 14 years. In the end, the boy died of pneumonia....

Or to put it crudely lah... If someone had a parent who had severe Alzheimer's Dementia... The parent is eating rubbish, shitting every where and if he or she is allowed outside, may wander into the middle of the road and get knocked down. To the patient, his or her mind is not working... A may be equals to D or E.. In fact, to go downstairs to the bottom of the HDB, he or she can take the lift or jump over the ledge... To the patient... I am going down.... Does that mean that the child cannot send the parent to a home? At least there the parent will be looked after and given medications. This parent is already a walking vegetable.. I read in a magazine somewhere about a man... he had Alzheimer's... at age 40... he said he was living in a death trap... where he will slowly lose everything and one day will not even remember his own family. Then one day, he will become a vegetable and he feels so much pain... Or another case of an elderly whose wife of 40 years is now demented... He does not want to send her to a home, but he cannot take care of her... He is old and his children are not living with them... He lets her go, he will also be alone...

So the world is such, there are many things that we as third party or people who have not gone through can only make observations. But it is the family that has to do all the suffering and I tell you, sometimes, the suffering is much worse than being off dead. My uncle passed from cancer many years ago... He had it first in the stomach... went through all the chemo and so on... had a remission for a few years and the cancer came back with a vengeance... It spread to the lungs and so on... His son, my cousin said that the hardest time for him was to see his dad at the last stages... when he could not breath or eat or do anything.. Just wasting away... And after so many years of fighting a losing battle.

[Panamera]

Hi Bros,

Getting to serious topic liao

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[Panamera]

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