woes of a tirak

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

actually i've learnt quite abit from your previous posts n the obstacles presented. however, every puying still is unique, regardles of profession, province, educational status etc.

ghandi once said: "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

so dun be too quick to conclude that WL n their KC game is 1 sided. KC to me is always been a double edged sword. i pain only cos of 1 puying, bt the WL pain cos of all her countless puchais, peurn saneet, gig, faen/tirak, peechai or even samee.

Yes, I agree that every puying is unique, but the tricks they try is by and much still the very same. With a few variations here and there.

And you don't need gandhi to say an eye for an eye makes the world blind. Love already makes us blind.

Wl also have guilt for milking the tirak? Yup they have guilt and they have to go to the thai temples or pray to the gods for forgiveness every morning.

KC is a double edged swordbut to say you pain only because of 1 puying? Then let me ask you where you know her then? She chose the job. You said she pain cos of all the countless men in her life. Sorry i don't pity that. Because when she take the money and spend, you ask her whether does she feel any pain in that?

SC

[free]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

No pun intended in anyway here

Some who pmed you, probably are in a tight rope situation themselves. And many a times these people felt "motivated" at how your relationship goes and feel likewise they can do the same like you. "Hope" is what they are hoping. But many of them are still ignorant of the harsh facts that they haven't see.

Maybe like what the movie says, you bring the balance to the force

SC

Let's just say your assumption is both correct and wrong. Maybe 40/30/30 (I refer to all TGs, not jsut WLs/FLs). I have told about 40% that their r/s is worth pursuing (still got no guarantee) and for the next 30% I have no answers/idea cos I have no relevant experience or sources I can draw inferences from. The balance, I do tell them they are Sad F**ks, unless they know the situation they are in and are prepared to count the costs. Then I no longer see them as such but "willing martyrs", with slim chance of the r/s surviving. Interestingly it is always in the 2nd & 3rd categories where the guy is afraid to lay out all their cards in front of me, like how they met, HIS & her background, whatever. They often tell me what they want me to know and keep the rest private (why do this if come to me privately for help, I can;t understand). In fact when I probed further, some even got upset.

SC, I have seen and gone thru a lot more than u think, as I had started since the 1980s (Where was GL then? still on the drawing boards or maybe even not yet!). Not sure where you were then. I still say today, even for the "probably true cases" of GL WL tiraks, the r/s actually start after her ORD. Unless, like in 1 happy case I helped recently, where she cut short her tour of duty cos she has found her Reason. Suffice to say her case is a small minority.

Ocean started the thread "Gers are still Gers". It is true. When you begin to understand women and how they think/respond, gers are still gers after all, except like your 101% thai men, WLs/FLs & even some normal TGs have something more one must consider.

By the way, if anything is clear in my posts, my own journey shows that even if the TG I dated seriously is a perfect normal decent woman who has ZERO intention to cheat, the BGR may still not work out cos there are so many complex reasons for a BGR to fail (wherever it occurs), less one think it is all a bed of roses. When the lady is worse off financially after the r/s then before it even started, it would be unreasonally if not plain stupid for anyone to conclude (even w/o knowing the full pic) that she tried to cheat me. Both sides lost, but also gained something - experience.

[hardcore_bonkie]

i agree with bro suteerak,, i might lose out here in cyber world as a noob but one thing im sure is that in real life i had quite a num of tiraks in my life. let it be in thai or in sg .. Im in the stage that im quite numb already but once in a while if i encounter problem in real world i come here to let go.... To bros out there i dun knw whether you guys r speaking the truth but come on here is just a place for us to pen down our inner side which we cant express sometimes in the real world...Hope u guys r not offended by wat i say..


Zap me or wat im will take it in my stride like a gentleman
(Hahaha im not a gentleman but im a BONKIE)
Hope my post can be som help.. CHEERS!!!

[free]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

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so dun be too quick to conclude that WL n their KC game is 1 sided. KC to me is always been a double edged sword. i pain only cos of 1 puying, bt the WL pain cos of all her countless puchais, peurn saneet, gig, faen/tirak, peechai or even samee.

I had privy to some audio/video clips captured by a WL presumably on a hp her customer just bought for her. In it, he was telling her (actually telling himself if u ask me) that he loves her, he misses her, got no mood to eat - also good cos he can sleep down for her, etc etc).

All she did was to respond "ah huh, ah huh, tam mai, naa giat, etc) and wow he thinks she is also in love with him. From the tone of her voice alone, I could tell he is but a customer, but it is all sweet music to his ears!

If such are the kind of completely self-deceiving things the guy is doing to himself, how can he blame gal if she finally got enough of his nonsence & tell him "sorry, u are not my guy, really"? Or what is the next natural step for her in order to keep this fool coming back for more? Begin to tell what she thinks is a white lie - I miss you, or even I love your (sic yur money) too! Sooner or later the guy is gonna wake up and say - I hate her, she cheated me. Sad F**k indeed, is he.

Any bros recognize themselves in him? If yes, time to wake up

[norigo77]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

.....
Me I no need the force to be with me, because I don't believe in it. I believe in the DARK SIDE.

SC

But even Darth Vadar needs the dark side of the force to be with him. So whether you bros are in the bright side or the dark side, front side or the back side (no pun intended), may the force be with you all in this tirakship journey...

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by free

Let's just say your assumption is both correct and wrong. Maybe 40/30/30 (I refer to all TGs, not jsut WLs/FLs). I have told about 40% that their r/s is worth pursuing (still got no guarantee) and for the next 30% I have no answers/idea cos I have no relevant experience or sources I can draw inferences from. The balance, I do tell them they are Sad F**ks, unless they know the situation they are in and are prepared to count the costs.

SC, I have seen and gone thru a lot more than u think, as I had started since the 1980s (Where was GL then? still on the drawing boards or maybe even not yet!). Not sure where you were then. I still say today, even for the "probably true cases" of GL WL tiraks, the r/s actually start after her ORD. Unless, like in 1 happy case I helped recently, where she cut short her tour of duty cos she has found her Reason. Suffice to say her case is a small minority.

But the sad fact is that we are in a sex forum. A commercial sex forum to be precise. And a large fact or 99% of the ladies today we are talking about here are not those decent TGs but decent WLs.

I don't see age as a benchmark to be able to voice out opinions here. Each and every individual is free to speak. Or I supposed do I have to wait till after year 2015 then I can have a chance to share?

The lyrics of REASON by HOOBASTANK

I'm not a perfect person
There's many things I wish I didn't do
But I continue learning
I never meant to do those things to you
And so I have to say before I go
That I just want you to know

I've found a reason for me
To change who I used to be
A reason to start over new
and the reason is you

I'm sorry that I hurt you
It's something I must live with everyday
And all the pain I put you through
I wish that I could take it all away
And be the one who catches all your tears
Thats why i need you to hear

I've found a reason for me
To change who I used to be
A reason to start over new
and the reason is You [x4]

I'm not a perfect person
I never meant to do those things to you
And so I have to say before I go
That I just want you to know

I've found a reason for me
To change who I used to be
A reason to start over new
and the reason is you

I've found a reason to show
A side of me you didn't know
A reason for all that I do
And the reason is you

=)I must say you are one of the more Romantic if not most Romantic SAMSTER in this forum

hahaha
SC

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by hardcore_bonkie

is that in real life i had quite a num of tiraks in my life. let it be in thai or in sg .. Im in the stage that im quite numb already but once in a while if i encounter problem in real world i come here to let go....

If you already feel numbness, you must have gone through a lot...........

SC

[free]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

But the sad fact is that we are in a sex forum. A commercial sex forum to be precise. And a large fact or 99% of the ladies today we are talking about here are not those decent TGs but decent WLs.

No difference to me. Every WL or TG is different and I'd rather access each as an individual. That I never had a serious tirak r/s with a WL/FL is cos I cannot take the stress of knowing my tirak is being bonked by many other men. It will kill me, so I rather not. Nothing to do with the ger. Retired ones - I am open, even though I still dun go looking for them specifically.

Originally Posted by siamcutey

I don't see age as a benchmark to be able to voice out opinions here. Each and every individual is free to speak. Or I supposed do I have to wait till after year 2015 then I can have a chance to share?

Sure age is not an issue for me, and has never been. Experience is, specifically a wide range of experience, not repeats of the same. As to being free to speak, dun I know that? After all it is my nick Only that we should do it with a sense of responsiblity

Originally Posted by siamcutey

=)I must say you are one of the more Romantic if not most Romantic SAMSTER in this forum

I AM Romantic, if anything a die-hard. That is the only reason why I never made it with Rain, a non-romantic, even though all else were great. If anything it is my being romantic that sometimes gets me into trouble, that was how I ended up with having to choose from 4 a few months ago. But quite a nice advantage leh!

[free]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Yes, I agree that every puying is unique, but the tricks they try is by and much still the very same. With a few variations here and there.

And you don't need gandhi to say an eye for an eye makes the world blind. Love already makes us blind.

Wl also have guilt for milking the tirak? Yup they have guilt and they have to go to the thai temples or pray to the gods for forgiveness every morning.

KC is a double edged swordbut to say you pain only because of 1 puying? Then let me ask you where you know her then? She chose the job. You said she pain cos of all the countless men in her life. Sorry i don't pity that. Because when she take the money and spend, you ask her whether does she feel any pain in that?

SC

Sometimes I really wonder, if things are so bad, why are ppl who know better still going back? Isn;t it easier to jsut find a gf/wife who never plays KC with us?

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

But the sad fact is that we are in a sex forum. A commercial sex forum to be precise. And a large fact or 99% of the ladies today we are talking about here are not those decent TGs but decent WLs...SC

SC, i have to disagree about this post, cos if 1 should truly/sincerely love a WL for who she is n not wat she is or have become due to this line of work, then in the eyes of the tirak: she is no longer a WL but a TG trapped in a fix.

there're times when the KC game is involved n participants get muddle-headed, even the WL will be as confused about where the puchai stands in her heart. the only reason for 1 to really be a tirak is when she's clear, appreciative, attracted to & eventually love. a tirak is the 1 with whom she gives promises, white lies(for fear that he may be too hurt by the truth), 1 with whom she invests trusts for many personal things (incl. running errands).

i dare say that alota failed tirakships here, sometimes is only cos he brought it upon himself, sometimes bcos he's not tried hard enough to understand her perspective, failed to attempt proper communications w the WL(regardless of language preference), shown no signs of promise/prospects for the WL to know/be convinced that he's the 1.

having said this, bottomline is also beyond reasonable doubt for any1 in the right frame of mind to truly believe that a cheongster can kick his bonking habits, forfeit the galaxy bcos of 1 star. if its already hard to convince any normal gal, i dare say it'd take even more (more than any1 can imagine) to convince a WL (who'd probably seen the worst side of men) during her tour of duty.

[free]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

SC, i have to disagree about this post, cos if 1 should truly/sincerely love a WL for who she is n not wat she is or have become due to this line of work, then in the eyes of the tirak: she is no longer a WL but a TG trapped in a fix.

Don't be surprised that the TG herself has a perspective where she is being trapped in a "playground that she can't get out of". Below is an excerpt of a letter a TG wrote to a guy whom she likes (and vice versa). He was having problems trying to understand her (while she seemed clear about their differences), and he was pressing her for her answers to agree to be his tirak. Being SGrean, he asked a question and he wants her answers NOW, while she needs time to think thru and consider their different situations. Being the quiet thinking kind has to resort to writing to express herself. In this letter she also ask him "What is Love to you? Happiness?...". Really can see a bit into their world better, when u read things like this.

I know I was absolutely guilty of this when I was with Dancer - moving too fast for her, and really thinking of my own needs, even though I had thought I was thinking for her... Had to learn the hard way.

ฉันจึงมีโลกใบเล็กๆของฉันที่ถือเป็นโลกส่วนตัวเป็นโล กใบเล็นๆที่เป็นส่วนตังของฉันจริงๆ
I therefore have in my world, which I regard as a playground which I am stuck in, really

[free]

Originally Posted by free

No difference to me. Every WL or TG is different and I'd rather access each as an individual. That I never had a serious tirak r/s with a WL/FL is cos I cannot take the stress of knowing my tirak is being bonked by many other men. It will kill me, so I rather not.

Paiseh Paiseh. I mean ASSESS, not access. If not I not only pocket kosong, also would have died from sheer exhaustion. KNN, pasar Angrit also got words sound the same but totally different meaning

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by free

No difference to me. Every WL or TG is different and I'd rather access each as an individual. That I never had a serious tirak r/s with a WL/FL is cos I cannot take the stress of knowing my tirak is being bonked by many other men. It will kill me, so I rather not. Nothing to do with the ger. Retired ones - I am open, even though I still dun go looking for them specifically.

Actually if there is no difference to you between TGs and WLs, so why bother about the stress of knowing yiur tirak is being bonked by many other men?

Subsconsciously, one does bother after all. Right? What matters is not the past, or the present but the future???

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

SC, i have to disagree about this post, cos if 1 should truly/sincerely love a WL for who she is n not wat she is or have become due to this line of work, then in the eyes of the tirak: she is no longer a WL but a TG trapped in a fix.

there're times when the KC game is involved n participants get muddle-headed, even the WL will be as confused about where the puchai stands in her heart. the only reason for 1 to really be a tirak is when she's clear, appreciative, attracted to & eventually love. a tirak is the 1 with whom she gives promises, white lies(for fear that he may be too hurt by the truth), 1 with whom she invests trusts for many personal things (incl. running errands).

i dare say that alota failed tirakships here, sometimes is only cos he brought it upon himself, sometimes bcos he's not tried hard enough to understand her perspective, failed to attempt proper communications w the WL(regardless of language preference), shown no signs of promise/prospects for the WL to know/be convinced that he's the 1.

having said this, bottomline is also beyond reasonable doubt for any1 in the right frame of mind to truly believe that a cheongster can kick his bonking habits, forfeit the galaxy bcos of 1 star. if its already hard to convince any normal gal, i dare say it'd take even more (more than any1 can imagine) to convince a WL (who'd probably seen the worst side of men) during her tour of duty.

Yes, she is a TG trapped in a fix, But you still can't deny the fact she is a WL.

I don't think running errands is a form of action where she places her trusts in you. Buy Kway Teow/Gao Lao at GM? Buy Buri for her so that she got enough to smoke? Help her TT money back to thailand without the need for her to wake up early? Being her personal driver sending her to and fro from DSC?

Telling white lies(for fear that he may be afraid of the truth)???
Show signs of promises and prospects to WL only gives her an additional option. If both love each other, is there a need to lie or even a white lie. When you tell a lie, you have to use more lies to cover the lie. And in the end, everything appears so fake and beautiful.

Let me ask you one question then. You got help your tirak open sim card?

SC

[free]

Originally Posted by norigo77

Ultimate Tirakship is juz a vain illusion that traps you in the bottomless pit.

When my tirak and I are old, wrinkled and grey-haired, and probably cannot have sex any more, but we still love and feel for each other, still hug and kiss and hold hands when we hobbled along as we go out... The stars in the sky still conveys our message of love to each other......that will be what I call the Ultimate Tirakship. Now it is not an illusion to me, but a goal we are working hard to walk towards.

In the face of pure tempation in the form of a lovely SYT wanting to be mine (all started on the Internet, as I learnt to chat in thai), I had been putting pressure on my tirak to improve in the one area she had been avoiding since we started, cos it mean a whole new (& scary) world for her. I had always wanted her to communicate with me using emails and instant messaging but being not highly educated, she shied way from that. It bothers, if not frustrates me, cos comms in writing is a basic need of mine. SMS had been a poor and expensive substitution.

I realised to my joy last night that even as my tirak had been wondering why I seem to be hounding her on this one area, as if I was finding fault with her, she finally understood why I was doing what I did - my deepest desire is that I want to love her even more and I was trying to make my love for her even more complete, even as she climbs another notch in her own abilities.

P.S. before anyone (as usual) shoots off their hips and said that this SYT is a fiction of my fantasy, a few bros here has seen her photos/videos and even know who she is in the net. In LOS, age gap is not a bad thing. In fact it is actually an advantage. So we in our late 30s/early 40's can take heart, kekeke.