I am fully vaxxed. That said, I stand in solidarity with my fellow unvaxxed S'poreans

[intelcore3]

Originally Posted by skillcapped

Hospitalization rate for those vaccinated are climbing higher each day, so much so that MOH got to boosts the number under 'not fully vaccinated' by lumping the groups together (unvaccinated + partially vaccinated + two doses but <14 days). This makes the number under 'not fully vaccinated' larger in the hope that the fully vaccinated numbers will look smaller.

Don't be a stupiad ass...lah ...

more than 80% are vaccinated so the chances of someone fully vax testing positive is of course higher. however if you don't aggressively test them...they won't be showing up as statistic because most of them don't get symptoms or mild.

If you are not vax, i highly encourage you to mingle please oh please so that we can reduce the dumb and dumber. I think the govt will do that soon, lets not worry about people like you.

the thing is now we just need to check among our friends ...most if not all are vax and then we check how are they getting along when infected ... uncle here uncle there 70 plus seems fine and having holiday in sentosa ...so now no need to rely on stupid comments.... people get true life examples...vax or not vax ... we are now hearing from one another what are the outcomes.

[skillcapped]

Originally Posted by intelcore3

Don't be a stupiad ass...lah ...

more than 80% are vaccinated so the chances of someone fully vax testing positive is of course higher. however if you don't aggressively test them...they won't be showing up as statistic because most of them don't get symptoms or mild.

If you are not vax, i highly encourage you to mingle please oh please so that we can reduce the dumb and dumber. I think the govt will do that soon, lets not worry about people like you.

the thing is now we just need to check among our friends ...most if not all are vax and then we check how are they getting along when infected ... uncle here uncle there 70 plus seems fine and having holiday in sentosa ...so now no need to rely on stupid comments.... people get true life examples...vax or not vax ... we are now hearing from one another what are the outcomes.

Point is, the efficacy of the current vaccines are not as good as what was preached to the populace in the first place. As evidenced from the large number of vaccinated persons currently hospitalized and in ICU. Even if you get 100% of the population vaccinated, the number of infected cases will still remain the same now. That is precisely why MOH decide to change their daily updating format so as to prevent people like you from knowing what's actually going on. Not that you'll be smart enough to comprehend.

[EtherC]

Yea actually the aliens from Zeta Reticuli have inserted their genes into the vaccines. 80% of humans will become alien-human hybrids and they will complete terraforming the planet. Earth will end up a high methane high carbon dioxide planet. Why do you think the US government is acknowledging UFOs now?Why do you think Exxon is still not focused on renewables? Whats with the lack of effort in stopping global warming? Eventually the unmutated surving remnants of the human race will become fodder and air starved slaves to the alien aristocracy. All hail the Grand Plan!

[EmCee]

Originally Posted by funboi

Vaccination is not compulsory. It is a personal choice.

Getting vaccinated is not just about protecting self. It is also about protecting others, a collective effort.

Vaccine is not a cure. Its not even 100% from the beginning. 555 Some say it's a gamble. But some people tend to think it should work like perfect.

In fact, IMO its better a vax get infected than unvax since the vax likely have some immunity than no immunity.

80% have decided to either die as a country or survive as a country. There is no turning back.

The world is having pandemic, there will be hospitalization and death it's sooner or later, controlled or burn like wild fire.

ps.

Thank you for taking the effort to at least bring data into the discussion. I appreciate this much more then just name calling or senseless condescending post just to make themselves feel superior.

Please explain why vaccines are able to protect others? Your vaccine will not work unless I take mine?

Nothing like an article on the death a innocent child to tug on the heartstrings. Maybe I should 1 up you by posting the news report about how an infant in Taiwan died after drinking the breast milk of a newly vaxxed mom.

Good numbers you have there, but I also have a lot numbers on my side. How Israel's cases spiked after vaccine, how they are failing which is why they are pushing for 3rd and 4th jabs. The low efficiency of the vaccine. The effects of ADE. Why booster shots will not help. How the COVID numbers are calculated by the CDC. How many hospitals in the US are not overwhelmed by covid by rather they are just not well prepared in the 1st place, i.e 100 ICU beds for a state of 8 million population(You got to look pass the headlines). The vast number of reported adverse events just in the US and UK.

There is so many things I can post but I think it's pointless(also I am lazy) because most of our minds have already been made up. There is no use trying to convince the other side. You said it's a choice, of course we know deep down inside that is only 1/4 true but I will give you that. Then I choose not to take the jab because I am responsible for my health and I take good care of it. Good luck with your 3rd and future shots.

[EtherC]

God save the crazies!

[BushTracker]

Such an interesting thread.. wish I have more time to read carefully, but alas, I need to leave for my dinner appointment in a restaurant. Ciao bella.

[EtherC]

Its really funny how these non vaxxers think they have a stronger authority than doctors, epidemiologists and clinicians who have spent at least 50000 hrs of study & research time on the topics. Speaking as if they have all the data & facts when the simple facts they need to be concerned with are : FDA has already approved the Pfizer vaccine; the Pfizer clinical trials were performed using 40 thousand brave volunteers. The various vaccines are also authorized by multiple expert panels across different continents ;US CDC, European Medical Authority & WHO. Tedros may be a politician but he does not make the approval decisions on vaccines by himself. There are expert panels staffed by real doctors / professors who review the data and approve the vaccines. The mRNA technology is not brand new either; it started in the 80s. It took these extraordinary times & extraordinary amount of $ + effort + brave volunteers around the world to make this happen. Do not make a mockery out of this with your petulant insistence on people listening to your skewed “analysis”, go publish a real scientific paper in the Lancet and we will take you seriously.

[EmCee]

Originally Posted by funboi

Medically speaking, any vaccines have certain percentage effectiveness against infection. For example, the flu vaccines itself have high medium low efficacy. It vary because flu virus mutate over time to escape the vaccine effectiveness. This is nothing new to the world. But still some doctors will encourage old people to take it because virus circulate and its invisible to human eyes. If contact with the original virus, the protection is high while it may be low against variant. Getting infection doesn't mean vaccine don't protect against severe illness or death.

If a vaccine says 40% effectiveness against infection. 40% is a chance anyone can gamble on. To make it easy for chiongster understanding. Just like husband and wife. The husband go out find FL have sex. He can choose either to raw or use condom provided by the FL. Or he choose to have BBBJ and condom sex later. So that pretty much lower risk of HIV since he took the condom but unfortunately BBBJ gave him STD. 55555.

Using another possible scenario. A chiongster went SPA or KTV for relaxation. Happy ending with condom but without mask on due too fast and furious. But for some their inner conscience tells them its better to be vax first before got happy. As much as possible later go back home sleep like nothing happen 55555. At least got 40% protection.

So they are trying to protect not just themselves but also their wife or family. 555

Thank you for examples. I think you might have some misunderstanding on the vaccine. It does not prevent infection and transmission. Even MOH don't advertise these anymore. Let's say I give you this 40%. What is the trade off though? Will using a condom have the risk of sending me to the A&E? I have to see a doc or specialist and pay out of my own pocket after I used it?

Originally Posted by funboi

Sure is spike after vaccine? Not because wuhan virus circulating or mutate become Delta virus circulating? Again for chiongsters easy understanding. A number of chiongsters went to fuck the same FL. Later someone post FR saying he kana STD from the FL. So who really causes the STD to spread? 555555 When Wuhan China don't have vaccine, didn't their case also spike? Hospitals full house and more dead than usual till even Dr Li WenLiang also died of the virus?

The concept of booster shot is not uncommon even for flu annually. And FYI, not just Israel going for 3rd and 4th. Countries using non-mRNA such as Inactivated vaccines are also going for 3rd and likely 4th too. UAE made it compulsory for its residents who uses Sinopharm to receive 3rd shot with a deadline.

Again, I don't have to pray that nothing happens if I choose to get a flu jab. If you ask around you will definitely hear stories on how ppl got hurt after taking vaccine. Took days, weeks or even months to recover. Some never recovered. All these sometimes happen after the 1st shot but many chose to bit the bullet, live with the effects and hope they will 1 day go away because of all the coercion. So now you want them to keep trying their luck for the 3rd..4th or even more shots?

Originally Posted by funboi

Don't mind I say this 5555 I think zeng hu already kind of gave up all the "good will" asking people go take vaccination. They also know no point try convince others but politically still must ask 55555 entertain a bit. 5555

I quote my above posting. "80% have decided to either die as a country or survive as a country. There is no turning back."

Honestly no one will feel the sadness or pain till someone related die of virus or vaccination then they feel. Even if you don't take the vaccine also not anyone problem 55555

Everything leave to fate.

Given a choice are the key words here. We need to be able to decide what is best for us.

Originally Posted by EtherC

Its really funny how these non vaxxers think they have a stronger authority than doctors, epidemiologists and clinicians who have spent at least 50000 hrs of study & research time on the topics. Speaking as if they have all the data & facts when the simple facts they need to be concerned with are : FDA has already approved the Pfizer vaccine; the Pfizer clinical trials were performed using 40 thousand brave volunteers. The various vaccines are also authorized by multiple expert panels across different continents ;US CDC, European Medical Authority & WHO. Tedros may be a politician but he does not make the approval decisions on vaccines by himself. There are expert panels staffed by real doctors / professors who review the data and approve the vaccines. The mRNA technology is not brand new either; it started in the 80s. It took these extraordinary times & extraordinary amount of $ + effort + brave volunteers around the world to make this happen. Do not make a mockery out of this with your petulant insistence on people listening to your skewed “analysis”, go publish a real scientific paper in the Lancet and we will take you seriously.

A++ textbook reply!! I am sure you also have the perfect reasons on why I am a racist if I dare question CECA.

We are not anti-vax. We are anti unsafe medical procedures. We listen to well known doctors(including Nobel prize winner), scientific researchers like the Ex-VP of Pfizer, epidemiologists and clinicians. They have done their own clinical trials on the effects of the vaccines and alternative treatments. Of course their views are censored on the internet and will never make it to the MSM.

FDA approval means nothing. Do you try to find out who are on the board? How the revolving door in US works? Top FDA officials are resigning in protest? Hundreds of drugs recalls after FDA approval? Dr Fauci must be your hero.

Isn't it good to live in a world where the authorities cares so much about us? They are doing whatever it takes to stay in power just so they can continue to serve us. We just close our eyes and mind, do whatever they tells us to do and life will only get better.

Caught on hot mic, Israeli health minister says ‘green pass’ not based on epidemiology

[EmCee]

Originally Posted by EtherC

God save the crazies!

Didn't the experts who studied all the data also said there were no evidences of human to human transmission? There was no need to shutdown international travel? 80% to reach heard immunity? Who can forget the famous "Healthy don't need mask"? All the ads, youtube videos to push this agenda. So were you also calling those that were wearing masks back then crazies too?

[BushTracker]

Originally Posted by funboi

This expert and China say one. And the world believed. 555555

There are experts, and then there are Chinese experts.

If you even remotely believe in Chinese Authorities, then you should be getting rich in investing in Nigerian banks.

[nyahoo]

Originally Posted by BushTracker

Such an interesting thread.. wish I have more time to read carefully, but alas, I need to leave for my dinner appointment in a restaurant. Ciao bella.

Wah atas man!

[Xgenre]

I wish the Government will make all the anti-Vaxxers take a weekly ART test and let these people pay for it. The weekly cost will convince more to take the vaccines. If you believe in non-vaccination, pay for it. I think we are too civil with the idiots.

I also hope we can add more distinction between the 2 groups. Medishield life and all private insurers should stop insuring people who choose not to take the vaccine. If you cannot take the vaccine due to health reasons, then they should remain covered for insurance. Just like we know smoking is bad for health. So if you still choose to smoke, pay more for your insurance. Likewise for unvaccinated people.

For school going children, those children above 12 (whose parents refuse to vaccinate themselves and their children), should be make to wear 2 masks and sit together in a backend corner of the class. For those under 12, if their parents are unvaccinated, these children should wear 2 masks and be made to sit in a corner with similar kids. Unvaccinated kids or kids with unvaccinated parents should wear a wrist band that allow others to decide if they will to associate or stand close to these kids. Exemption applies when the reason for non-vaccination is due to medical reasons.

If there are any further lockdown, Government benefits should also go to people who are vaccinated. The Government has paid 25%-75% of the monthly pay for Singaporeans in certain industries. They have also given $9000 to self-employed people last year. Any similar benefits in future should not go to unvaccinated people. So if your employer needs to pay you your full salary while he gets a 25%-75% subsidy for other staff, I hope the employer will consider sacking the unvaccinated (without medical reasons).

I also hope when unvaccinated people scan their Tracetogether app on the Tracetogether reader, it will give off a different buzz/sound. Hopefully can make it sound like a fire alarm so everyone knows an unvaccinated person is entering the premises and people can choose to avoid the idiots.

Why waste time talking cock to people who refuse to listen to logic? Nabei these guys are causing the economy to slow down and many are losing their jobs. Time to make these people responsible for their choices. Vaccinated people are fed up with unvaccinated people who don't play ball and drag everyone down. How many more months do you want to be locked up at home for? How many vaccinated people are worried about losing their jobs as the economy drags?
Time to talk less and act.

Anymore suggestions on how we are highlight or shine the spotlight on who the unvaccinated people are?