I Cannot Believe My Eyes

[ptgary]

Originally Posted by BKnight

Yes, the reliance on scholars is based on the assumption that academic achievement is the best criterion for good political leadership, like in imperial China. The belief is to get the top graduates from university, pay them premium rates, and they will deliver, to a certain extent it had worked well in the past. However, the rationale then - and now - remains this: Until a better system of identifying young talent surfaces, academic achievement is still the most effective.....

We have created for ourselves a national mindset of compliance and obedience, giving rise to a generation of "play safe" who lack initiative and enterprise. The environment of a salaries and career safety discourages risk-taking initiatives. In politics, it often spawned a new breed of "autopilot" technocrats who are content to follow past policies rather than risk entering visionary ventures.

Looking back at history, Great national leaders, it is said, are often thrown up by the chaos of history, amidst mass suffering and national dangers, not in times of wealth and peace. These include such historical figures as Abraham Lincoln, Mahatma Gandhi, Mao Zedong and Winston Churchill, all of whom achieved greatness because of chaos. Few rich modern societies are known to have produced wise, visionary leaders, so can we, operating its scholarship government system, succeed in disproving this? Only time will tell….

Having said, all these, I do love my Country, Singapore and will sacrifice my life in defending this great tiny nation…So Say We All !!!!

Don't be naive. If you die in a war, you would be dying for the GOVERNMENT, and not for Singapore.

[lacoruna69]

Originally Posted by ptgary

Don't be naive. If you die in a war, you would be dying for the GOVERNMENT, and not for Singapore.

True to a certain extent. But if I were to really take up arms to repel any enemies, it would be for the sake of protecting my loved ones (my parents and siblings,....). Not so much for the GOV. Dun fight for the country, fight for the sake of your loved ones.

Originally Posted by BKnight

Looking back at history, Great national leaders, it is said, are often thrown up by the chaos of history, amidst mass suffering and national dangers, not in times of wealth and peace. These include such historical figures as Abraham Lincoln, Mahatma Gandhi, Mao Zedong and Winston Churchill, all of whom achieved greatness because of chaos.

Hmmmm, you left out our Dear Old Wise Leader, MM Lee..... I was still not born yet at that time. But Sillypore was indeed in a mess that time, from what I read in history books.

[mike1304k]

I agree with Bro Lacoruna fully. If I were to fight, I will be fighting for my family and loved ones. We live in an imperfect society and we have many many complaints. But the grass is always greener on the other side. Living in Corporate America, Japan Inc or Factory China. But whereever you choose to live, you will have to also find the compromise of govt, society, beliefs, security and family. Like many of the brothers here, I can choose to live in almost any country. Aus, Japan, America and so on. I can also fit in and find work there. However, after having lived abroad for almost 10 yrs, I would say that I feel most comfortable in Sg. It is the place I was born. So I will do all I can for this little piece of land, to protect it so that my family is safe. I choose to make this little red dot my own little paradise and I do not care about the society or govt or what.

It is like your family, it may not be perfect, but it is all we have. So we must make it our own little paradise.

[BKnight]

Originally Posted by ptgary

Don't be naive. If you die in a war, you would be dying for the GOVERNMENT, and not for Singapore.

Bro ptgary, think you missed my point.. Die for my Country Singapore meaning Die in defending Singapore including Sentosa and the rest of the islands including that lighthouse on little rock, Die to protect everyone that's dear to me, including parent, brothers, sisters, relatives, friends, relatives, wife, kids, mistressess, lovers etc.....not for any political systems..

[BKnight]

Hmmmm, you left out our Dear Old Wise Leader, MM Lee..... I was still not born yet at that time. But Sillypore was indeed in a mess that time, from what I read in history books.[/QUOTE]

"historical figures" - Past tense..you got IT????

I have great respect for him and for what he did for Singapore..

Come to think of it, If not for him, you think got Armani, Zara to cheong now? Jalan Sultan area will be restricted area liao because its for the Sultan to jalan jalan.....hahahahaha

[Compassion]

I think fighting for our country (Singapore) is fighting for our families and loved ones. That's not seperate the two. It was our ancestors who worked hard to make Singapore for what it is today.

When we devote our time and energy and even willing to die defending Singapore, it is to ensure our families and loved ones continue to enjoy what we are having now. It is not fightiing for any political party or system.

Coming back to the issue under discussion, we should also not with one stroke of the brush, condemn all scholars as incompetent, just because one of them was not able to handle his emotional entanglement. Don't get me wrong. I am not a scholar and I think there is much improvement needed to fine tune our meritocratic system of focusing on scholars only.

His problem can happen to all type of people, scholar or not. So let's not try to generalise.

[IGrew]

Originally Posted by bomarr

Bro IGrew, dun think there anything wrong in brudders here discussing abt such issues & giving their own remarks... This is open forum where every samsters can have their own opinion or to be precise this is a "sex forum" where ppl share info... As long as the TS start the thread at the appropriate place... There should be no issues... Just a passerby with 一角 rmb worth of comment...

Originally Posted by BKnight

Bro, this thread is to discuss why such a bright young man with high IO but low EQ...We are not condeming him or wat, btw, his parents will not know unless you tell them to come in this forum, this thread is also good for scholars to be or living scholars to wake them up..

Don't get me wrong lah. I not against discussing this topic in this forum. I am asking us to be sensitive to his parent's feelings. Losing a loved one and seeing people saying such things even thought they may be correct, is not helpful in a grieving situation. I know the parents will not be reading (but then who knows), but I am appealing we be careful. Go ahead and discuss, but be mindful.

[ptgary]

To keep things in perspective regarding the topic about fighting for the Government instead of for Singapore, consider this question:

If Singapore were ever to go to war, would we see the ministers' sons fighting with us on the frontline?

In olden days, the Emperor or King led the army personally when his country went to war. How about now? What are we actually defending?

[BKnight]

Originally Posted by ptgary

To keep things in perspective regarding the topic about fighting for the Government instead of for Singapore, consider this question:

If Singapore were ever to go to war, would we see the ministers' sons fighting with us on the frontline?

In olden days, the Emperor or King led the army personally when his country went to war. How about now? What are we actually defending?

Use your head to think what is worth defending to you!!!![/

[daggerboy]

I cant comment on others but my life is dictated by 3 hallowed words:

"Duty, honour and country".

[BKnight]

[QUOTE=ptgary;3540571] If Singapore were ever to go to war, would we see the ministers' sons fighting with us on the frontline?


Frankly I dont really give a damn whose sons or daughters, as long as I am fighting alongside with my fellow Singaporean bros on a common cause...

Bro, when time of war, you think so much will get you a 1st class ticket to upstairs or downstairs.....Be Big Heart and Brave Heart la....

[Stevie_R]

Originally Posted by daggerboy

I cant comment on others but my life is dictated by 3 hallowed words:

"Duty, honour and country".

Bro, I like your style

[slider_72]

On the initial topic started by TS, I wonder whether the words "PRC girl" got the bros here into a sub-conscious prejudiced mode? It appears that the three of them met when the two guys were studying in the States. My assumption is that the PRC girl probably studied there as well, and possibly on some form of scholarship too. Otherwise it would be too coincidental for the three of them to meet in the States and for the PRC girl to come over to Singapore and stay here unless she is also on a scholarship from some Singapore agency.

I wonder whether there would have been so much attention paid to this case had the girl been a normal local girl-next-door Sillyporean. On the assumption that the girl involved is not a WL, I think her nationality should not be an issue at all.

On the other topic about fighting and dying for your country, I think the main reason why men step up to the plate and take up arms is to defend their families and loved ones. However, I think the reason why these same men charge forward into the thick of battle do so for the brothers on their left and right.

[mike1304k]

Well whatever her nationality is, the issue is that one should never forsake his family and parents just because he was unsuccessful in love. As my comment mentioned, it is silly to die for love or because of love. Perhaps the thread has taken a lofe of its own, however, guys and gals, if you lose your boyfriend and or galfren for whatever reason, take it as a chance to make yourself better and to grow from it. Show the guy or gal that he or she made the wrong choice by not choosing you.

As for scholars, that debate is better left for other threads and this for condolences to the passed and the bereaved.

As for fighting for country, government or family or whatever, it is a personal choice. We fight for what we cherish, irregardles of who follows or leads.

[BKnight]

Very Simple Equation :

Out of Love - You only lost 1 person love, if you die for love- You lost All Love including Old and New!

Not to mentioned all the nice food..hehehehe unless you prefer joss stick and paper la....

Before one do silly stuffs - think of your parents, favourite food and Fiona Xia or whoever you fancy......Also those person(s) that caused you to comtemplate suicide WILL BE LAUGHING AT YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE A COWARD, HAVE A HAPPY LIFE THAN YOU, SLEEPING AND BONKING IN A NICE BED....so how like that? Live and Live better loh is the most simple way out....