164 Days in Singapore Changi Prison

[MengJai]

Originally Posted by FireShark

Dear all bros

After my release, I wrote in to complain the medical service there but in the end got unreasonable replies from the Changi Prison. Now I know why people say, can die in prison but canot get sick in prison

Bro, care to share what unreasonable replies u got?

[alan0338]

Originally Posted by FireShark

Dear all bros

After my release, I wrote in to complain the medical service there but in the end got unreasonable replies from the Changi Prison. Now I know why people say, can die in prison but canot get sick in prison

bro, wats the point of complain? prisons in SG considered very good standard compared to other countries liao.and inmates are in there for punishment, not for holiday la.. i have a fren kena prison in philipines.... less than 8 hours, we paid up ( $$$ there do talking ) and he was let out, but when we see him, his body was all bruised up due to kena wack by the prisoners inside. so tat shows the quality inside there, and we should considered ourselves lucky we are in SG la, rather than always complain and complain...

[alvin36]

Originally Posted by FireShark

Dear all bros

After my release, I wrote in to complain the medical service there but in the end got unreasonable replies from the Changi Prison. Now I know why people say, can die in prison but canot get sick in prison

My counsin got remanded in Queenstown before, he also talked about the "rubbish medical checkup" on the 2nd day when he was in there. The doctor was very rude, everyone queue up, and he just ask some question in a very rude way, he really look down on inmates, even those remands. The checkup last less than 10 seconds per person.

[comefuckme]

Hi Just wanted to share my views. I been in out of prison a few times. The last time was back in year 2002. Now compare to last time is much more better. Back in the 90s we still find tobbaco to smoke. As those who were waiting for sentence for death or at least 20 years for drug trafficking, their family are allowed to buy them a day 20 sticks. So thats how they can pass around. Till early 2000 the prison cease all tobacco in all prisons. Last time if were short sentence, most likely you will be place at Queentown Remand prison. As for long sentence you will have to wait like 3 to 4 weeks before they transfer you out to others prisons. In Queenstown, they have different halls. But now from what i know it have close down and all move to the New Changi Prison Complex. I heard its has 2 to 3 basement floor and 8 stories high.Last time if are sick and if you want to see doctor they call see BaBa. As if you are really very sick they will send you out to the hospital with your hand and legs lock up like you saw on the tv.Different prison will have diff ways of doing things and the food will taste diff too. If i didnt remenber wrong or if they havent change it yet, Monday n Friday is wif tao pok, Saturday or sunday is mee goreng.Its great to hear that you are out, but as you go in due to drugs, so i think you still have at least a year of urine test. Do take care.

[84gunner]

Originally Posted by sun814

... my question is should our singapore society be as forgiving to them (in the second example that i have given) n if we do, how do we assure ourselves that they will not go back to the past? what i mean is that any bros hv any suggestions on what type of systems of control and monitoring can be in place to provide assurance to the public in general and to help genuine bros who had turn over a new leaf to integrate back into the society?

It all boils down to individual. There are people who repent after being punished once, there are also people who are hardcore and never repent in this lifetime.

1 of the main problems is, SG sticks too strictly by the book and rules, no flexibility at all. Whenever incidents happen, SG people start asking, why wasn't there policies / systems of control / monitoring? And then, more rules / policies / law is legislated. Something like in the army days, where commanders question the soldiers, why don't they use their initiatives, but let incidents happen instead? What new rules can be implemented to prevent similar incidents from happening? Ya, in the military, when u use too much initiative, u may be regarded as rebellious, not following commanders' instructions, no regard for yr commander, etc etc.

Who doesn't make a single mistake in his / her life? 人生自古谁无错？I would say, it's a matter of the seriousness of the mistake, and whether he / she was caught.

When a person makes a mistake, and has paid for it, let the person move on with his / her life. If he / she makes the same mistake again, then punish him / her more seriously. The latter is true in SG, but SG is a very unforgiving society, and also too obsessed with growth and advancement. Even when one's speed of advancement is not up to satisfaction, that person is already disliked by the society. Not to mention, being a delay / hindrance to progress / advancement.

So in SG, whether u been to prison once or 10 times, it's similar. From another point of view, if the society is so unforgiving, not willing to give ex-convicts a chance to move on in the society again, it is the society itself that is forcing these ex-convicts back to crime again. People need to work, to put food on the table and survive. It's a basic human need. If the society is not giving them this chance, makes things difficult for them, when a person gets really so hungry, he will do anything just to fill his stomach!

I have heard of cases where convicts purposely commit crimes again shortly after their release, because they are rejected / outcast by society and their families, they have no place to live, cannot find a job. They commit crimes again so when they go to prison again, it's free rental, they have a roof over their heads (better than sleeping on the streets?), free food to fill their stomachs. So who should be blamed for such situations? These people need to survive, while society is not giving them a chance. I would say, luckily, such phenomenon / cases are few. If these cases get more and more, then the society will really be getting more messy! And looking at the macro point of view, if more convicts commit crimes for this reason, then the burden to the gangmen and taxpayers is also heavier!

And such unforgiving society like SG calls itself "civilised".

[newyorker88]

Originally Posted by tigershark75

That why all PC/ Sergeant are extra nice during range/ life firing... 1 of my coy mate eventually shot his PC during range then commit suicide. Come to think of it, it already 18yrs ago since I did my BMT in Tekong...

Regards,

Are you referring to the incident where the Malay recruit shot his PC? Then he turn his rifle under his chin and fire. The brains and grey matter all fall into the fox hole?

To tell you the truth, that PC is too much. What I heard was that the PC always pick on this poor chap. Before the shooting incident, one of his parents or somebody in his family passed away.... and he was not allowed to go out too.....

While at the range, the poor malay guy turn his rifle to the PC, and says " Sir, I dont like you", fired at him point blank. THen, he put it under his chin and fire off. All the other NS man watch in horror of this murder cum sucide.

SIB came, so did CID, and this was a very big case. From that day onwards, during range, the PC of the platoon is not present to watch his own man shoot.

Out of army very long time liao....There are many more cases where somehow the soldiers manage to hid bullets and gun down his officers, or smuggle it out. THose were in the mid 80s to 90s stories.

DB? never sent any of my guys unnecessarily . Can cover, cover it. However, for drug cases and AWOL..... too bad..

THere was one case in Provost Unit, where the Military Police( NSF guy) was dam Kuai Lan. He tortured a NSF in DB, and it was so bad that when he ORDed or while out in weekends, this MP was with his girlfriend, and so happened to meet this NSF ourtside. THis NSF guy beat him very badly infront of his GF.

In short, those who are still serving NS, just follow orders, and for those in MP units, dun give those NSF a hard time, all of you are just wayanging only.

[Cerberus]

Originally Posted by newyorker88

In short, those who are still serving NS, just follow orders, and for those in MP units, dun give those NSF a hard time, all of you are just wayanging only.

I believed it is a case of "With great powers, comes great responsibility".

Too bad, 欺善怕惡 always resides as human evil inner self.

An experiment was conducted in 1971 and it clearly illustrates human's inner beast instinct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

[jacky43]

My younger days, a cousin who was during that time around sec school, that was in the 70s. His parents were staying in the Queenstown PRU, i think my uncle was 1 of the first batch of red car instructor.

Just sharing this with Hometeam youngsters here, there was a murder cum suicide of a detective. Not really remember the details, my cousin told me the detective wife took his pistol while he was sleeping. She shot him and she turned the pistol to herself.

Lucky for my uncle family, they moved away 1 day b4 the incident, my cousin said the bullet when thru his bedroom wall.

[khan111]

Originally Posted by chezeburger

Hi all,

Just wanna share that I made a silly mistake resulting in being charged for shoptheft. I forgot to pay for my mechandise which I left in a plastic bag when I left the supermarket. I am 25 male with no past records of any sorts before.

Police was called it and it was truly embrassing to walk out of the supermarket in handcuffs.

The IO told me that I would be given a warning on the account that it was my first time being arrested and the item was not a high value item. (It was just daily shaving blades).

I am due to go back to the station 1 week later to hand in my bail form.

Firstly, am I expected to recieve the verdict when I hand in the form? I seen previous entry that it took them 2-3 years to charge them?

2ndly, issit the IO that calls the final verdict? I am so afraid if they approach the supermarket again because they were bent on charging me. Not even giving me any second to explain. "Go talk to the police, Now shut up."

3rdly, a mistake is a mistake, I do admit it. How much roughly would the fine be.

If the IO says he will give u warning, then I dun think you will be charged or kena fined. Just dun commit any crimes in the future as they will bring this incident into consideration.

[khan111]

Originally Posted by newyorker88

Are you referring to the incident where the Malay recruit shot his PC? Then he turn his rifle under his chin and fire. The brains and grey matter all fall into the fox hole?

To tell you the truth, that PC is too much. What I heard was that the PC always pick on this poor chap. Before the shooting incident, one of his parents or somebody in his family passed away.... and he was not allowed to go out too.....

While at the range, the poor malay guy turn his rifle to the PC, and says " Sir, I dont like you", fired at him point blank. THen, he put it under his chin and fire off. All the other NS man watch in horror of this murder cum sucide.

SIB came, so did CID, and this was a very big case. From that day onwards, during range, the PC of the platoon is not present to watch his own man shoot.

Out of army very long time liao....There are many more cases where somehow the soldiers manage to hid bullets and gun down his officers, or smuggle it out. THose were in the mid 80s to 90s stories.

DB? never sent any of my guys unnecessarily . Can cover, cover it. However, for drug cases and AWOL..... too bad..

THere was one case in Provost Unit, where the Military Police( NSF guy) was dam Kuai Lan. He tortured a NSF in DB, and it was so bad that when he ORDed or while out in weekends, this MP was with his girlfriend, and so happened to meet this NSF ourtside. THis NSF guy beat him very badly infront of his GF.

In short, those who are still serving NS, just follow orders, and for those in MP units, dun give those NSF a hard time, all of you are just wayanging only.

I also dun understand why some of these officers/instructor treat their men like rubbish. NSF just serve and fark off liao. no need to make things very difficult for us mah.

I did LOL at the MP who kena beaten up.

[newyorker88]

Originally Posted by khan111

I also dun understand why some of these officers/instructor treat their men like rubbish. NSF just serve and fark off liao. no need to make things very difficult for us mah.

I did LOL at the MP who kena beaten up.

In the army of the past, the "mexicans" believe that the life of a soldier must be very hard. They grill the boys to be men, mentally and physically.

However, those officers of the past rose up from the ranks, not like the later part, where they take the soldiers of BMT and straight to OCS. These are not experienced and season officers. These are nobody.

Ever heard from a young chap, 2nd Lt, about 19 years of age or so at that time, he went to some military convention, and a STAFF Sgt from France saw him, walk to him, ask him.... How you get your rank? The Staff Sgt point to his rank, " One stripe from one mission, how many you been to?"

The officer dam pai sei.

And look at the Chief of Army singapore, about 35 years of age, or so..... He stand with other COA, looks like a small boy...

[samseng27]

Originally Posted by Ktsg

By experience, I suggest bros who came out from prison to deny saying you were ever convicted during your interview.
Below are the reasons why:

1) Pte Ltds have no way to check your records, through the police or CID.

2) Yellow Ribbon Project is an hoax. The money are used to probably upgrade the prison warden's lifestyle, rather then prisoners.

3) Singapore is still a conservative society. Ex-cons = society's disgrace, forever.

4) Blame the heroin, it was the 70s-90s that heroin addicts who made the society believe whoever went into jail/DRCs, are doomed for good.

5) I am speaking of this by experiece. I was sentenced 7 years and 12 strokes. I came out a few years ago, was honest in my interviews, and couldnt get any jobs. When I finally lied, I got a job.

Totally agreed with u. bcos left with no choice at all. Honest no job. Lie got job. No job no $. Got job got $. Given to anyone also will choose to lie. Anyway, to all bros that went in b4, i wish u all with every luck and health. Take care and keep in contact in SBF...

[FireShark]

Originally Posted by alan0338

bro, wats the point of complain? prisons in SG considered very good standard compared to other countries liao.and inmates are in there for punishment, not for holiday la.. i have a fren kena prison in philipines.... less than 8 hours, we paid up ( $$$ there do talking ) and he was let out, but when we see him, his body was all bruised up due to kena wack by the prisoners inside. so tat shows the quality inside there, and we should considered ourselves lucky we are in SG la, rather than always complain and complain...

I do know and understand of others prison. Please note that I had complain about my a pain in my ankle which I can't walk properly since the day I entered but I scolded for trying to act or trying to be funny with them. Every week, I see the doctor at least 2 to 3 times so that I could have the pain killer for my pain but some times they only issue panadol. Thus, after some check up and x-ray by them, they still insist I am fine. After my release, I went to a poly clinic and they found out that I had a slip disc which result pain in my ankle. Thus, I wrote in and complain but I was given a stupid answer. "All inmate during their sentence are give proper treatment whereby I don't feel that.

Originally Posted by alvin36

My counsin got remanded in Queenstown before, he also talked about the "rubbish medical checkup" on the 2nd day when he was in there. The doctor was very rude, everyone queue up, and he just ask some question in a very rude way, he really look down on inmates, even those remands. The checkup last less than 10 seconds per person.

Originally Posted by 84gunner

It all boils down to individual. There are people who repent after being punished once, there are also people who are hardcore and never repent in this lifetime.


I have heard of cases where convicts purposely commit crimes again shortly after their release, because they are rejected / outcast by society and their families, they have no place to live, cannot find a job. They commit crimes again so when they go to prison again, it's free rental, they have a roof over their heads (better than sleeping on the streets?), free food to fill their stomachs. So who should be blamed for such situations? These people need to survive, while society is not giving them a chance. I would say, luckily, such phenomenon / cases are few. If these cases get more and more, then the society will really be getting more messy! And looking at the macro point of view, if more convicts commit crimes for this reason, then the burden to the gangmen and taxpayers is also heavier!

And such unforgiving society like SG calls itself "civilised".

That was true. A lot of convicts commits crime again due to they do not have shelter and reject by the society. They have friends, shelter, foods, and even medical treatment in the prison. If they are outside, what can they do??? Some out of jobs, no place to stay, no foods to eat. They gonna to commit crime again in order to stay in prison. The YELLOW Ribbons and Scores did do somethings to help but it dont help much.

[GeMiNiZzzzZzz]

Originally Posted by newyorker88

..And look at the Chief of Army singapore, about 35 years of age, or so..... He stand with other COA, looks like a small boy...

In Singapore, Education counts more than experience or "Missions" attended.

Thats why Encik with 30 overs yrs of experience even have to call a young boy of 2nd LT "Sir"

It does apply to the outside working world as well...that's life

[84gunner]

Originally Posted by GeMiNiZzzzZzz

In Singapore, Education counts more than experience or "Missions" attended.

Thats why Encik with 30 overs yrs of experience even have to call a young boy of 2nd LT "Sir"

It does apply to the outside working world as well...that's life

Recently, more and more people are saying SG's Education is 有教育，没教养！(there is academic education, but no moral education)