ord from geylang , can come back sg ?

[civilian]

Originally Posted by wavelet

I have ask a cat150 WL about this question also. She told me that can get married in Singapore but she can never be a PR not to mention citizen. So, if I married her she can only comes here for a short social visit visa. She is a malaysian maybe different for thais

wah like that is double standard mah! how come malaysian can marry and thais cannot??? anybody??

[vmtech]

Originally Posted by civilian

wah like that is double standard mah! how come malaysian can marry and thais cannot??? anybody??

WLs are equally clueless as us la...

[QUOTE=sosurfer;1790594]Dear all brothers here,

Read through suggestions and comments in this part of the forum...see a lot of heartache and headache of brothers putting in effort to pursue your tirakship...I would like to share my experience with a Ex WL with all...

My wife (a Ex WL) ORDed 1 and a half year ago, now we are official husband and wife in Thailand...got ourself a condo and a honda civil over there and expecting my first baby boy next month... ...to reply, as from what I know, ex WL are forever banned from entering Singapore again, this is my own personal experience...I do not know about other cases.


To all the men concerning abt their loved ones,

Spent hours reading through all the suggestions and comments... and my very virgin reply to such forum...

My legal wife (non WL) right now is laying on the cold cement floor @ Changi Women's Prison eating Black Bean Rice. I signed her 3 times (seperatre occasions) back to SG including first time bcak to ROM.. until finally try to extend her Visa @ ICA.. thumb scan... court.. lawyer... prison... charged for more than 10 charges (unlawfully entries, false declaration for white card etc... )

My real advise is once your finger print being scanned and save in the national computer board main frame...forget about trying to step into SG w/o written permission from ICA or using another person identity. Be it at Changi Airport or Woodland checkpoint or Changi Ferry Terminal, all checkpoints will be equiped with thumb print scanners (even not now but will be a matter of time)..

Once your loved one step into SG or even SG seawater, using different identity, she will be retained in ICA and then charged to court within 48 hours, standard sentence is AT LEAST 1 year but less than 3 years I came across a women deported 8 years ago came back SG thought nothing happen.. so she declared NO for all the questions. End up 10 weeks in Changi because she never mark the questions properly.

If you really love your women think of other ways like our bro.. sosurfer... life inside prison is not what you and me can imagine... so do not let them sufer....

If you are cauious what the f..k am i talking cock here... i am right now thousand miles away from SG... got myself a job and wait for my wife to be deported immediately after her release couple of months from now... bo pian have to let go everything... car, career, siblings and house... to continue our relationship... remember what we have sweared during our ROM... till death then do us apart.. we want to be together.... (actually i can't remember exactly.. something like that)...

(To the women we really love and willing to die for)

[QUOTE=sosurfer;1790594]Dear all brothers here,

Read through suggestions and comments in this part of the forum...see a lot of heartache and headache of brothers putting in effort to pursue your tirakship...I would like to share my experience with a Ex WL with all...

My wife (a Ex WL) ORDed 1 and a half year ago, now we are official husband and wife in Thailand...got ourself a condo and a honda civil over there and expecting my first baby boy next month... ...to reply, as from what I know, ex WL are forever banned from entering Singapore again, this is my own personal experience...I do not know about other cases.


Dont know my earlier post successfully posted... if yes kindly ignore this one...

After spent hours reading all the suggestions and comments, i would like to tell those men facing the same situation i been through...

ICA will not erase data even 8 years ago.. My wife now is sleeping at the cold concrete floor @ changi women's prison.

I signed her back 3 times including first time to ROM and finally tried to extend her visa.. detain by ICA... court... lawyer.... prison... charged for more than 10 charges (unlawfully entries, false information on white cards..)

If your women used different identity and finger print scanned before...forget abt stepping in SG or even SG seawater w/o permission from ICA or using another identity...she will be stopped either at Changi Airport, Woodland Checkpoint or even Changi Ferry Terminal because all checkpoints will be equipped with thumb print scanners. Even not right now also matter of time.

I am thousand miles away waiting for my love one to release and immediately deport couple of months. If you really love your women, think other ways like our bro SOSURFER.... do not do think stupid that you can escape from ICA forever....

Truth Love is Fearless.... Believe it or NOT upto you...

[vmtech]

Originally Posted by LaoGone

Dont know my earlier post successfully posted... if yes kindly ignore this one...

After spent hours reading all the suggestions and comments, i would like to tell those men facing the same situation i been through...

ICA will not erase data even 8 years ago.. My wife now is sleeping at the cold concrete floor @ changi women's prison.

I signed her back 3 times including first time to ROM and finally tried to extend her visa.. detain by ICA... court... lawyer.... prison... charged for more than 10 charges (unlawfully entries, false information on white cards..)

If your women used different identity and finger print scanned before...forget abt stepping in SG or even SG seawater w/o permission from ICA or using another identity...she will be stopped either at Changi Airport, Woodland Checkpoint or even Changi Ferry Terminal because all checkpoints will be equipped with thumb print scanners. Even not right now also matter of time.

I am thousand miles away waiting for my love one to release and immediately deport couple of months. If you really love your women, think other ways like our bro SOSURFER.... do not do think stupid that you can escape from ICA forever....

Truth Love is Fearless.... Believe it or NOT upto you...

1 question though, kindda puzzled, why is ur wife detain when she's not a WL in the 1st place to begin with, you mentioned u brought her in and she didnt fill in the card properly.
if she's a normal thai citizen, immediate charge isnt what'll happen, what i is she did come to sg to work in the past right? or she came in with a fake identity?
as u said her fingerprints are in SG db.. and if she's a non-wl, she should be like all of us here, no problems entering whatsoever.

Dont mind clearing my doubts?

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by LaoGone

.... If you are cauious what the f..k am i talking cock here... i am right now thousand miles away from SG... got myself a job and wait for my wife to be deported immediately after her release couple of months from now... bo pian have to let go everything... car, career, siblings and house... to continue our relationship... remember what we have sweared during our ROM... till death then do us apart.. we want to be together.... (actually i can't remember exactly.. something like that)...

(To the women we really love and willing to die for)

i think the vow u're trying to recall are as follows.

eg 1. I, (Bride/Groom), take you (Groom/Bride), to be my (wife/husband), to have and to hold from this day forward, for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; from this day forward until death do us part.

eg 2. I, (name), take you, (name), to be my [opt: lawfully wedded] (husband/wife), my constant friend, my faithful partner and my love from this day forward. In the presence of God, our family and friends, I offer you my solemn vow to be your faithful partner in sickness and in health, in good times and in bad, and in joy as well as in sorrow. I promise to love you unconditionally, to support you in your goals, to honor and respect you, to laugh with you and cry with you, and to cherish you for as long as we both shall live.

eg 3. I (name), take you (name) to be my (husband/wife), my partner in life and my one true love. I will cherish our union and love you more each day than I did the day before. I will trust you and respect you, laugh with you and cry with you, loving you faithfully through good times and bad, regardless of the obstacles we may face together. I give you my hand, my heart, and my love, from this day forward for as long as we both shall live.

eg 4. In the presence of God and these our friends I take thee to be my husband/wife, promising with Divine assistance to be unto thee a loving and faithful husband/wife so long as we both shall live.

eg 5. I, (name), take you, (name), to be my friend, my lover, the (mother/father) of my children and my (husband/wife). I will be yours in times of plenty and in times of want, in times of sickness and in times of health, in times of joy and in times of sorrow, in times of failure and in times of triumph. I promise to cherish and respect you, to care and protect you, to comfort and encourage you, and stay with you, for all eternity.

eg 6. I, [name], choose you [name] to be my [husband/wife], to respect you in your successes and in your failures, to care for you in sickness and in health, to nurture you, and to grow with you throughout the seasons of life.

eg 7. I, (name), take you, (name), to be my partner, loving what I know of you, and trusting what I do not yet know. I eagerly anticipate the chance to grow together, getting to know the (man/woman) you will become, and falling in love a little more every day. I promise to love and cherish you through whatever life may bring us.

After both have said individual vows, they may wish to say something in unison such as:

"Entreat me not to leave you, or to return from following after you, For where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay. Your people will be my people, and your God will be my God. And where you die, I will die and there I will be buried. May the Lord do with me and more if anything but death parts you from me."

i also managed to find the following via wikipedia.

"Marriage vows are promises a couple makes to each other during a wedding ceremony. In Western culture, these promises have traditionally included the notions of affection ("love, comfort, keep"), faithfulness ("forsaking all others"), unconditionality ("for richer or for poorer", "in sickness and in health"), and permanence ("as long as we both shall live", "until death do us part"). Most wedding vows are taken from traditional religious ceremonies. Touching love poems or lyrics from a love song can be revised as wedding vows. Some couples choose to write their own vows, rather than relying on standard ones spoken by the celebrant (priest)."

Originally Posted by vmtech

1 question though, kindda puzzled, why is ur wife detain when she's not a WL in the 1st place to begin with, you mentioned u brought her in and she didnt fill in the card properly.
if she's a normal thai citizen, immediate charge isnt what'll happen, what i is she did come to sg to work in the past right? or she came in with a fake identity?
as u said her fingerprints are in SG db.. and if she's a non-wl, she should be like all of us here, no problems entering whatsoever.

Dont mind clearing my doubts?

You are right to have such doubts because i didn't explain in much details, too long a story.

She came SG using her real identity during the very first time. Came here to earn some $$ in KTV. 2nd time use another identity in order to get VISA to come here again. During that time she was asked to leave singapore due to illegal stay (rent) in a HDB flat. No court but finger print was scanned and leave within 24 hours. Just like many countries in the world, tourists need to report to police where they stay. If we stay in the hotel, the hotel actually captured our particulars and report for us. If we stay in friend's house or any other accomodation, we need to inform the local police ourselves.

After that she came in again using her own identity through proper business visit. During the 3rd visit, we met and together and .......

Eventually i went overseas to look for her and decided to marry her. I bought her back for ROM.... as what i mentioned.

My purpose here is to tell anyone in the similar situation what happens. If i read a similar article earlier, i would never consider brought her back to ROM in SG. I would have register in overseas and never never let her step in SG for the rest of my life unless she willing to risk 1 to 3 years in jail.

[vmtech]

Originally Posted by LaoGone

You are right to have such doubts because i didn't explain in much details, too long a story.

She came SG using her real identity during the very first time. Came here to earn some $$ in KTV. 2nd time use another identity in order to get VISA to come here again. During that time she was asked to leave singapore due to illegal stay (rent) in a HDB flat. No court but finger print was scanned and leave within 24 hours. Just like many countries in the world, tourists need to report to police where they stay. If we stay in the hotel, the hotel actually captured our particulars and report for us. If we stay in friend's house or any other accomodation, we need to inform the local police ourselves.

After that she came in again using her own identity through proper business visit. During the 3rd visit, we met and together and .......

Eventually i went overseas to look for her and decided to marry her. I bought her back for ROM.... as what i mentioned.

My purpose here is to tell anyone in the similar situation what happens. If i read a similar article earlier, i would never consider brought her back to ROM in SG. I would have register in overseas and never never let her step in SG for the rest of my life unless she willing to risk 1 to 3 years in jail.

nah dont risk her again, she had it once , dont let her have it again.

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by LaoGone

..... My purpose here is to tell anyone in the similar situation what happens. If i read a similar article earlier, i would never consider brought her back to ROM in SG. I would have register in overseas and never never let her step in SG for the rest of my life unless she willing to risk 1 to 3 years in jail.

cant turn back the clock, whats done cant be undone. what matters most is how you both carry on from hereon forth. you've both chosen each other as partner for life, so its healthy not to dwell on the past & build on the relationship towards bliss & a happy family.

its not imperitive that you build your nest here in Sg, but perhaps in the given circumstance, seems to suggest it'd be better elsewhere.

though i feel, its still possible for her to step into Sg to visit the in-laws. so long as she's goes thru proper channel & be truthful with her form-filling the next time round.

take heart... for every dark cloud, there's always a silver lining.

[vmtech]

at least bro u've been able to establish a source of income overseas, so you can be with her in the foreign land .

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

though i feel, its still possible for her to step into Sg to visit the in-laws. so long as she's goes thru proper channel & be truthful with her form-filling the next time round.

take heart... for every dark cloud, there's always a silver lining.

From what i understand, the people who deported from SG usually prohibited to enter SG for a period of time. I came across 1 to 3 years but also depends on the immigration law in their own country whether their gov allow them continue to use the passport.

I came across a case where SG ICA conducted detailed investigation on the deporting wife true identity (interview her neighbours in SG, local police investigation in her hometown etc.) and no ban. The women has been deported and now waiting the husband to sign her in again. Probably she can spent the coming CNY in SG with her husband. ICA clearly highlighted her freedom to entry during the transition in ICA just b4 she was deported. Of course, the ICA officer reminded her to fill the white card correctly...ICA said... "if you really don't know... ask the officer at the checkpoint... BUT don't ever anyhow fill.. if not you may end up eating black bean rice again...."

The criteria i do not know. Maybe prior to their marriage, they have made extra legal documentation like declaration of identity. Or maybe she has bought a HDB or spent enough years in SG already...

i do not know what will happen to my wife's case.... maybe by then i would share with the rest... but again for those pp facing similar situation... DO NOT TRY YOUR LUCK... SG has one of the most advanced and developed ICA system in the world... AND THEY ARE NOT SLEEPING...

[ansonlky]

Originally Posted by vmtech

at least bro u've been able to establish a source of income overseas, so you can be with her in the foreign land .

After years of waiting,for all i know,money is what that counts most and matter in sustaining the relationship.if u have the cash at your disposal.u can settle down in whatever manner u want,wherever u like and the lifestyle u choose to have.

For all i know, there will never be a transparent system in the immigration side and our doubts can never be fully resolved as there is no clear indication of procedures, instructions steps to take and follow so we can hardly get what we want and settle down with our spouse eventually here at Singapore.

Especially with relation and bilateral ties souring again with our Thai counterparts, i was wondering would it shatter or jeopardise our glimmer of hope for a union with our love ones here?

Lost Soul...........

[ansonlky]

Originally Posted by sosurfer

Dear all brothers here,

Read through suggestions and comments in this part of the forum...see a lot of heartache and headache of brothers putting in effort to pursue your tirakship...I would like to share my experience with a Ex WL with all...

My wife (a Ex WL) ORDed 1 and a half year ago, now we are official husband and wife in Thailand...got ourself a condo and a honda civil over there and expecting my first baby boy next month... ...to reply, as from what I know, ex WL are forever banned from entering Singapore again, this is my own personal experience...I do not know about other cases.

I am still working in Singapore, I fly over to Thailand every 2 to 3 weeks to spend time with my wife usually 3 to 4 days, while, I am just back in Singapore today after a long holiday over at Bangkok...expenses to maintain $2, 000 per month....tele-communication daily with my wife. Have set up a small eating house which is maintained my my wife and her mother.

For those that thought of staying with your loved one, consider carefully before committing, although I did not regret in my decision to have this arrangement...frankly frankly, I am feeling very exhausted at time and the question 'Did I make a mistake?' does occasionally pop up in my thought...not money, not time, not harass of traveling....it's the feeling of missing my wife who is far away and by which I cannot like a normal Singaporean, stay by her side daily.

I understand how u feel coz i am in the same shoe as you and i know there are others like us too.Feel fortunate that at least u have comms access to her daily and could fly with ease there. I have friends whose spouse stay in isolated parts of the kingdom or worse still in the mountains whereby in every attempt to seek thier love ones to visit for for a short period,they got to fly in,transit by coach, after that switch to their local vehicle and finally completing some short distance by foot to their spouse village.

U can take comfort by the fact u have eventually and finally settle down elsewhere with her and she in doing some kind of business so u won't feel so financally burdened.when guys like us have chosen this path, it is never a profitable investment from day one it started, so u must have a mindset and the determination to bring u thru and eventually see the fruit of the labour.

I've got a friend who thought his courtship with his girl would be everlasting after more than 4 years that he eventually use all his savings to buy a plot of land to build a house in the far north and bought a new honda jazz payable by installment monthly for her. He was also travelling frequently every once a month to vist her,the girl went back slightly more 2 years ago and he know her at one of the cat40 houses way back in 2002. Initially she try to sneak in illegally without much hassle only to have stopped when one of her friends was caught and sentenced to jail. It has already been more than 2 years so recently my friend was thinking of bringing her over to vist the parents coz they never seen her for quite some time, he thought that by flying first to bangkok and coming in with her when she encounter some questioning at the air customs he can do the explanation for her.

Who knows they managed to trace her entry records way back in 2004 and convicted her. My friend did not even had any chace to get near or negotiate for deportation at all. Now he is trying to write in to visit her without much success as the prison side only allows immediate next of kin to visit her.

What i learn here is whatever advise given will never be fool proof and it all depends very much on luck and individuals.i taken swiss air back alone frequently and sometimes i do pause and stand by one side to take a look how actually screening of female thai national works. It is never systematic and i seen genuine monks get deported back or bring refused entry. i have also seen some young malay male immigration officers allowing entry for thais girls dressed as if they are working freelance without asking much questions.

To anyone who can offer concrete advise and 100% idiot proof guidelines here i think they can publish a book instead of posting threads here. i will be the first one sponsoring the publication cost..

Clueless......

[Th4r]

... in the states, some seek immigration lawyers' help to aid in clearing up past "bad" records ... pleading ignorance and such ... donno if singapore is the same.

I personally know of at least one legal OKT marrying an ex-WL, and settling her down in Malaysia ... kids already in Uni., and he still not thinking of risking putting her in jail and bring her over. Haiz.

you guys have my admiration

bottomline is contentment
Th4r

[ansonlky]

hey brudder.......

Be realistic u are posting in a singapore forum and u are mentioning about the condition in the states and malaysia.is there any links???