Some guide on rebutting FLs nonsense antics

[Tension68]

I have a recent episode with a gal that has made me very disappointed.

In my years of cheoning.. tho I not super rich.. I can hold my own.. and have some cash for my fun.

Now, this means spending my money wisely.. not by using my little head.. but the brain in my big head.. err.. the head on top of my shoulders.

First things first, I dun reali drink.. so ktvs n clubs I seldom go. I dun smoke, cos i hate the smell and I end up coughing until bladder juice comes up in a smoke-filled room. Since my ye-ye (grandfather) died of lung cancer.. I have done my fair bit of read-up and found that second-hand smoke kills n damaged mre.. shyt.. so I stay away from ppl who smoke too.. not unless they dun smoke in front of me.. which alot of my frens n some cheong buddies do.. they realize I dun like it and respect my request to not smoke in front of me.. but can go elsewhere to light-up.

Ok.. that being said.. cheonging places or targets narrows down to WLs of red light districts and also FLs of all varieties.

I like WLs and FLs for one reason, and one reason only. It's simple (usually) and direct. Meaning you go arrange, meet them and go room to fcuk away. I dun nid too much chat-up.. cos I m impatient. If the sex is gud, I RTF. If no gud, I forget n delete ctc number.

For the RTF, if they reali so gud, I will RTF mre than once. Some ppl haf advised against this as they say feeling will develop. I say, u fcuk first time dun mean no feelings. One time only, u might like the gal.. n datz y u rtf.

Now.. some WLs n FLs think that once u regular, they got u hooked.. then they start showing their true colours on occasions and dun gif u face or flare up their tempers at u. These are the amateurs, for the KC experts r those who will nvr show this to regulars. In fact, they will only show this to those custys who they dun wan to RTF them.

Now, ktv, nite clubs gals command better earnings then WLs in GL in general. Not because they provide better svc, but the nature of their work. They haf to Drink, Dance, Sing, play games, let custy fondle.. hug, sometimes strip, kiss and maybe mre in the room. And most custys there r bizmen or earning higher salary who wan to haf fun.. maybe not direct fcuk fun.. but wan the gals to pander to their every needs. Tips can range to SGD50 n up for one sitting (sitting usually means u sit one room n move around and when custys wan to pack up n go, they tip u before they leave).

So y do club gals n ktv gals generally get mre? It's cos the gals market n sell themselves well. If you sleep wif all ur clients as a club gal or ktv gal.. ur market value will decrease. If u put urself as hard to get.. but gif in at the right price.. then it depends on
1) your looks (the gal la)
2) your body (diff cust wan diff body type.. but bigger boobs will generally get good attention)
3) ur tehness (not surprising that teh can get u mon-neh)
4) ur kc power, which includes eq n good read of ppl

lack on of the above (in my opinion la) and getting custys to wan to take u out n spend money to bed u will be hard as competition is fierce.

Now, there is one type of people who may not be suitable for ktv or clubs.
The gals who are hot-blooded, hot-tempered and easily sensitive and fast mouth will find it hard to earn a living in clubs n ktvs.. as they may find it hard to control their emotions and lash out at custys.

Well, some ppl may like this.. but in a group.. nobody will like to be shown to be like no face in front of colleagues, biz partners, or friends. Showing a black face will guarantee you lesser tips or even no tips at all.

N worse is, if custys complain to mummies that ONE black face affected their happiness factor.. mummies will not hessitate to blacklist that gal.. or tell that gal off.

This is perhaps the reason why some gals do FLs, and some go for clubs n ktvs. In clubs n ktvs, u olso run the risk of being forced to take drugs.. (yes I have heard of this).. from the custys.. or even from the mummies.. so as to keep the gals's mood high and energy level at peak performance.

Now, if drinking almost every nite is not something for a gal, then being a GL WL or doing FL is a better option if they wan fast money.

hmm.. i haf run too long.. post in another day

[Compass68]

bro.. wat u trying to get at??

post fast leh.. i wan to read wat u thinking

long time no meet up, when u free?

[BGNeo]

Bro Tension68,

Have to agree with u on what u have posted so far, cannot treat those PRC that treat u like trash well.

Hope u can share ur experiences on how to handle those REALLY expert in KC ones, i got a friend who went to this "Facial Hub" and fell for this PRC, he now quite jia lat emotionally. The girl now don't even return his calls/sms, I being his good friend have to stand by him which is tiring for me.

Hope u can share some tips and experiences and best way to counter act these Tactics they do, and oh ya one more thing is it true that some of these KC experts go through some training or courses how to hook man, i heard from a friend no idea how true?

[Tension68]

Ok, continue with my post.. n it is my thoughts on these gals la.. ps if too long winded.

Alright, I have one time.. when I RTF a FL so many times.. that she practically invite me to her actual room (in one of the H81) to spend time wif her.. note.. is spend time.. talk cock, eat dinner (in the room cos she lazy to go out), watch dvds.. or cuddle n haf a little nap. She din allow me overnite cos she say "i scared u poke me in the nite den i cant rest"

Ahaha.. she so smart.. noe my plan.. haha.. but no la.. i respect the gals.. if they show me respect too. This is my rule, nvr treat them like a whore, until they try to treat u like shit. Chinese saying goes, ppl respect u an inch, u shud respect ppl a meter. That is my way la.. not saying all haf to follow.. but for me.. it has reaped quite good rewards.

Now, this particular FL stayed in sg for not mre than 1 year.. and was caught n sent back to PRC. I got to keep in touch wif her, and managed to arrange a meeting wif her when i went to Shen Zhen for a short biz trip.. and this was only like a month after she went back.

Needless to say I was dam happy she agreed to see me, and asked her wat she wanted me to bring over. Her request was simple enuf, facial mask from a famous brand (forgot liao la.. over 2 years back liao).

To cut the story short, I spent 3 nites and 4 days wif her.. she arrived on the first day of my stay.. and we had SOLID SEX after a simple lunch. it wsa most exciting as I stripped her.. and just like in AV.. stripping a gal.. licking her boobs even while her bra was on.. gropping n fondling them.. then peeling them off.. and then sucking those big melons n the nipples. In the bathroom even more exciting.. I licked her WHOLE BODY.. and then she did the same to me. We were like lovers who were separated for a short while.. and just had to explore each other. She gave me a BBBJ in the bathroom.. and I face-fucked her for like over 5 mins.. (she din do this b4 when she was in sg).

And.. during the nite, we slept naked.. but i only fcuked her in the morning.. when I turned to hug her n she din resist.. the morning fcuks were fabulous.. I would feel her body under the sheets. and she would squirm.. wif her eyes closed.. then after fondling her boobs, I would massage her pussy until its wet.. and she would open up her legs.. and then I would pull the sheets and raise up my dick for her to BBBJ. The fuck itself din last too long.. but I din nid to rush.. so it still took like over 20mins for ONE shot.

Ok.. skipping to the point. Obviously I paid for the room, her meals, bought her cosmetics, fake watches (she asked for it anways.. and I wud not haf paid for real ones either), and some clothes. At the end of it, I gave her an ang pao.. and pulled out the notes.. over 3k PRC currency for her time wif me. She at first rejected it, saying "u bought enuf for me oledi", but I insisted, saying "u now got no job yet rite? Take this first.. then when we meet again then if u still wan to meet me, u can treat me to meals or something.. if u wan to see me again la." She took the ang pao, indicating she wanted to see me again.

In total, I had mre than 6 fcuks wif her over the 4 days, guaranteed one everyday.. and altho I could had more, I din wan to overstress my didi. It's the feeling of the fcuk (duration, the response from the gal and my own shiokness), not the times.. and I must say she allowed me to do almost anything.. short of s&m (which I din like) and anal (which I had no interest in also). Apart from the first day, I had 2 fucks almost everyday.

The last I head, she had gone back to her native county and she told me she had a bf n was planning to get married. I wished her all the best.. but also hinted that if she ever needed "help", I will not hessistate to do so.

Now.. this was a FL who nvr worked in clubs or ktvs (she confirmed.. truth or not, i duno), n from her acceptance of 3k rmb for 4 days n 3 nites.. it seems she din reali noe the mkt rate for day n nite accompaniment. I heard it was like 5k a day for ktv hostess or watever one (experienced PRC bros pls confirm). The thing is, she took the money only after I insisted and din count.. I only told her it was 3k... she din count it in front of me.. and she din send sms to say too little or too much. In fact, when i boarded plane, she even send SMS saying she hoped to see me again soon.

Hmm.. need to stop here as too long again.
Next part will be on WLs and KTV gals who I had chance of going out wif.

[Tension68]

Ok, since i got spme time to spare.. i shall spare one mre post

Now.. this is regarding my experience wif a club.. or rather ktv gal.

She was in Sg doing hostess in one well-known nightspot, earning tips from Sgd 300-500 per nite. She picks who she want to go to bed wif but she doesn't pick those who buy her time out.

In simple terms, she has a hot bod, n nice face.

Now.. u must be asking.. since i dun go for ktvs n clubs, y i was able to meet her?

Simple.. she turned to FL when earning in ktv got to a point where the custys got tired n bored wif her. Her temper got custys very agitated and cos she duno how to teh n tease n play along wif the men.. she got from ang pai.. to lau sai in a matter of a month.

She did receive gifts, n got quite some cash too.. but she splurged on bags, clothes, cosmestics and laptops n wat nots. Needless to say, she needed money bad.. and FL seemed to be a viable option.

So a senior bro intro her thru this site, n i asked for the ctc. First meeting, she was good.. n since i only knew her as a former ktv hostess (she said she had quit cos she dun wan to drink every nite), i din noe wat her real background story was.

Anyway, her svc was good.. but only cap bj, and din allow kiss, din allow pussy lick (fine by me.. if gal say dun.. i get scared if smell funy olso.. they dun like.. i olso skip). but boobs good, 38C+.. n not too firm.. no sag.. n not too soft.. at a ht of 1.66m, she is one fine looking woman.

However, 2 RTFs into her, her true colours began to show.. got impatient wif my spending too much time fondling n sucking her boobs.. din wan to change mre than 2 positions.. demanded (yes.. DEMANDED) no touch hair or head when she do bj.. and insisted I buy durex condoms.. not the thin thin ones.. but the regular ones..

Then.. fter bonk, she would say, "u noe, my past custys in the ktv bought me rings, watches, clothes, handbags, took me to ex restaurants, 5star hotels.. not this cheap 81..." blah blah blah.

Note.. u can tell this is an amateur.. b4 she even got me seriously hooked.. she start to reel me in.. thinking i bo jiak.

So I told her, "but u FL now.. n who wud pay 5star booking for just 2 hours? u do overnite meh? charge how much? can do how many shots?"

She was taken aback by my retort, and thought for a few seconds.. then, (note amateur wif lousy temper to add) shot back, "ya la, u cheapo den forget it la. how i noe u cant afford 5 star hotel? u olso dun haf car rite.. haiz.. i almost forgot."

I got so pissed, i got up, dressed and paid her the dues (sgd 120), den threw down a one dollar coin, "na.. this is the tip u deserve for your stinking mouth. no wonder u haf to quit from ktv.. which customer wud like to hear wad u said?"

And that was it. she eventually told the senior bro who passed me her ctc that I insulted her. Thankfully that senior bro pm me to ask me what happened first b4 jumping to conclusions to zap me or wat. and it was from HIM that I found out that, that gal has attitude problems.. thinks so highly of herself and got lousy temper.

Well.. she din last too long in FL either. After me, she pissed off 3 other bros.. 2 of which are senior bros here.. and they wrote such a bad FR on her.. she disappeared altogether.

end of the day, dun put urself b4 ur custys.. in watever line u do.. even if ur custy is rude.. if can LUN, den better lun.. unless u cannot tahan.. and dun care liao.. den FIRE AWAY. Wat u say, do, act or react, will affect your image.. and perhaps enhance or ruin ur biz or career. This is true in all kinds of jobs.

Never for once think that cos custy is regular.. or so gamgam or friendly, that u can bark, shout, or do watever u like.. the quiet custys can do the most damage. Canto saying goes, mo sherng gao, ow sei yan", translated directly means, = the dog who makes no sound, it's bite will kill ppl.

[facuv]

To a certain extent, i now find those that have regularly cheong/RTF amazing. How do you not like the girl after regular RTF? And not get vulnerable to the girl getting "lazy".

Meeting new girls are so cumbersome as well, as there is always risk of bad service.

And the experiences are quite interesting.. maybe you should write a book -"The wisdom of paying for sex"

[Tension68]

Ok.. now i got time to post on a ex-GL WL.

Now.. wat is interesting about this gal, is that she has a unique look.. but her cust svc is dam gud. KC power olso quite high. Unfortunately.. her temper olso not gud.. and cos her character is very straight.. she cant maintain kc power for long.. cos she will inadvertently let slip something out of her mouth.. whether it be other custys things (good & bad), or pointing out ur shortcomings.. (serious.. I kena told my lil bro is not big enuf for her.. and dis was on the 3rtf.. when we quite familiar liao.. n i guess is cos of this she let slip.. not uncommon betwn her n me). And also sometimes she forgets who she tells her stories too (real or fake, i olso cant tell.. but i jus listen.. dun reali believe 100%).

Imagine if u r in the room wif this WL.. u patronize her for over 3 times liao.. and each session is 2hrs.. yet in the bathroom, after the deed, and toking about making her cum.. she can point to ur didi n say, "ur one is not big enuf to make me cum." I was taken aback, but still showed a smile.. I wanted to know wat else can she spill.. n in the end.. she gutted herself when she said she had lots of regulars, and that they gif her gifts but she nvr took them.

Wud u believe she din take the gifts? I din.. but i believe she had a lot of regular rtf custys. She was gud in the art of making love.. and she made it seem that u cud make her want mre from u.. that is a plus in having sex wif a WL.. i think we all like the idea that a gal asks u to "fcuk me harder.. faster.. ahh.. yeah." and she seemed to excel in this area.

However, since that comment from her.. I took a step back to recall how she wud send me smses, to ask how i was n wat i was doing.. even called me to chat wif me.. and i began to see a KC trap. Duno if it was really such.. but her comment on my didi being not big enuf.. added to my suspicion.

In the end, I reduced my number of liasions wif her from 2 times a week, to once in 2 weeks.. and it got to a point where i had to stop cos I had a bad bout of cough.. I had throat infection.. and almost got lung infection.

During this time, she still smsed me, and when i said i was sick, she just told me to take care.. and stopped there. Interestingly enuf, my frs for her generated quite a number of custys asking for her.. and she also stopped smsing me for a while.

And then.. her bad temper got the better of her. She did a rash act to one of the other gals in her house.. and got in trouble.. so back to PRC she returned.. only ONE year into her 2 yr contract. An abrupt n sudden departure.. and I was abit disappointed that I din find her mre.. but I was sick.. so.. I actually tried to keep in touch wif her.

Well.. I asked around, and was fortunate some bros got her QQ ctc.. so I tried my luck. She responded n was surprised I got her QQ.. but indicated that if she had any special feelings for me, she would haf kept my ctc and got in touch wif me. She insisted that we could only be friends n no mre.

My horniness got the better of me, and I suggested that she cud make some extra income by meeting me in HK or me going to her home in PRC.. or some arrangement.. but she got angry and revealed that she had got back together wif her EX-bf.

So.. I thought that was the end of that.

Just over a year later, I got abit itchy and logged in QQ.. and sent a Happy New Year to her. And.. surprise surprise.. she responded.

She then gave me her mobile.. and informed me that she was in the SEA region.. quite close to SG.. and asked if I wanted to find her to play.. (in mandarin).. "要不要找我烷?".

then.. the stories came.. she had split wif that ex-bf she got back together wif.. and her money was all spent (she din say gif to that guy or wat.. but i suspect she gave to that bum.. she's a fool.. but all women in love r fools).

So, we arranged to meet.. and when we did.. she even shed some tears cos I was so friendly to her.. and reminded her of our past tryts.. she said, "i can't believe u still remember me.. i think u r the only one longing for me."

Truth be told.. i do miss her love making.. and when we met again.. I couldn't keep my hands.. legs.. mouth.. tongue.. n my dick away from her.

All was fine on the first 2 days.. then.. something began to happen.. she seemed a little concerned about something.. n made frequent calls to her gal pals.. to the point of asking them about FL overnite charges.. and saying out the charges loudly in my presence.

She also mentioned she worked in ktv lounges said like "BOSS" or something.. and that competition was tough and she felt the pressure.. unlike her days in GL.. where the action was direct.. and not alot of other stuff was needed.. stuff like drinking.. chatting.. even taking drugs..

But there was inconsistency cos she also mentioned that the money was good.. and that if she ever got back to sg.. she din want to go GL.. but wanted to go ktv or nite clubs.. rather contradictory.. but i kept quiet.

.. ok la.. stop here.. to be continued

[arius3]

Sit must give money. What kind of bullshit is that ? Ktv is nonsense place. It is where the girls and pub con your money.

[Tension68]

Ok.. got time.. so continue...

so.. on the last day.. b4 the day nid to checkout of hotel.. things start going abit awry..

y i say that? cos.. altho it started fine wif another GREAT fcuking.. her temper showed when I was looking at her, curiously, talking over the phone frequently.

Actually, I was looking at her lips.. and thinking of how shiok her BBBJ was just awhile back.. while we sat eating n drinking.. however.. she seemed to not like the idea of me staring at her.. and shot at me, "Y!! I tok on phone is my biz, y u care so much?!!"

I smile, and lightly tapped the table in jest, "y i cannot care.. ha?" in jus a few seconds.. her face turned black.. and she started scolding me.. (much to my chargin n surprise).. "crazy.. ur brains is screwy.. blah blah blah"

in essence, it was not a good feeling.. as other customers at the eatery heard her not-so-soft voice. PRC woman.. worked in GL n now plys her trade in ktvs n clubs... her vocals must haf been trained to throw her voice over loud music and across rooms.. her dan-tian (lower abdomen) must be really strong now.

Well.. I kept silent.. and began to observe her again.. and she seemed to haf noticed her "off-form".. and in a few minutes.. returned to her "nice" self.. and offered her food for me to eat. I took it in.. but the seeds of doubt linger.

This woman is definitely a person who wears her emotions on her sleeves. If she is happy, u can see it.. angry.. she will show it and scold n curse. Altho she tries to mask n hide.. it wun be long b4 it shows.

Anyways, the whole nite turned funny when i jokingly remarked that she took all my money (she reached to take some one dollar notes to pay for some stuff).. n i did laff n smile.. saying "ha.. u took all..haha" This got to her. and she threw back a 5 dollar bill to me. (geez.. temper temper)

but we then watched a movie.. and her mood seemed better.. but only after the movie.. for during the dinner after that.. she was so busy making calls that she flared up at me again when I asked her to confirm her order (the waitress was waiting n she had a choice to make on the item she wanted)..

So.. still on the phone.. she raised her voice at me (again), "this one la.. didn't i tell u?!!" I told her nicely, "got option.. u wan 1 or 2.. one is de set.. or just the item?" to make this short.. it went all downhill after the meal.

She din wan to walk close to me.. talk to me.. she kept her distance, walked in front of me.. or behind me.. and was always on her PHONE.

Now.. during the dinner.. she raised her voice when speaing to one of her "frens" to ask about the prices of some gals.. and she seemed to delierately raise her voice when she said, "oh.. overnite is 350, one time is 175.. nothing.. just asking". (note.. we had 2 rounds of sex.. n tho she slept wif me.. no mre than 2 nites.. there wud be no mre sex in between.. if i went for a overnite session wif a FL or WL.. paying overnite charges I wud DEMAND 3 shots.. if not.. i wun go for overnite.. complete waste of money.. but usually most gals will not argue.. one shot b4 sleep.. one shot upon awake.. and one b4 times up to leave.. that is maximum la.. but my timing perhaps permits 2 shots max.. nid to recover olso)

Anways.. this was my feeling.. but I felt she was like pressuring me to show my appreciation wif a show of money.. I decided to test her.

That nite.. was long.. no closeness.. no chat.. nothing. I tried to approach her.. but she gavae a black face n turned away. So next day.. I took out the ang pao I had prepared.. and removed the actual amount and left a smaller amount.

My plan was to see her reaction. If she declined, rejected and even scoled me.. the full amount will be given on top of that ang pao.. but if she accepted it under any circumstances.. that wud be it.

Well.. im not a good person wif words.. (i dun like testing ppl.. cos im afraid my suspicions will be affirmed).. so my words came out like, "u kept me company. i thought of compensating u.. err.. money not easy to earn (she did mention it).. so maybe this can help a bit.." (yeah.. it sounds cheesy.. bad even.. in a way it was designed to get a severe response..)

Well.. she reject only one time.. then took it and threw it on the table...
I must add tho.. prior to meetup.. she did not mention anything about money.. no price.. no negotiation (actually dis is wad im most afraid of).. which is y i prepared some.. perhaps slightly above wat a FL shud get, but lower den wat a ktv or club gal gets.. (room i pay.. food.. drinks. shopping.. etc etc.. n she gets to sleep until shiok shiok.. who's getting the best deal? u tell me!)

But get this.. after she leaves.. she smses me to mock the amount she got in the amount given... saying she earns mre in one ktv/club sitting.

Well.. I told her "ang pao is a token, and i really duno how much to gif u.. but wat amount were u expecting?"

I wun put mre details.. cos that wud be too long winded. My point is.. if she is KC expert.. she wud not haf taken my ang pao.. to lure big fish.. u shud cast a long line. N since she accepted the ang pao.. no comments shud be made on the amount.. u like it or not.. just take it. Never never offend the custy by saying snide remarks on the "small" amount.. but instead.. think of how to make the custy meet u again to spend mre or gif u mre... now that is a KC expert.. and one to be really wary of.

This ends my tale of diff gals.. got mre.. but will discuss on how to not get too KCed by these gals.. and some of my methods of approaching them w/o spending too much money.

[Compass68]

... bro.. ur ex-GL gal u met.. is it ur fav JS?

U met her oledi ah??

[Tension68]

Originally Posted by Compass68

... bro.. ur ex-GL gal u met.. is it ur fav JS?

U met her oledi ah??

No la, she in KL la.. i can't fly to KL to meet her in short notice.. no actual biz up there.. n no reason to gif to sneak over there for mre than 2 days..

.. bro.. this ex-GL was way way b4 i met JS la.. u forget I cheong GL for how long liao meh?

[Tension68]

Ok.. since i got mre time to spare.. here is how i handle the WLs,FLs.. ktv hostesses and all.

First and foremost, when i meet WL or FL, be they from GL or off the street (seldom cos i got my fair share of LOUSY svc n con-artists), intro or ktv hostess or watever they from.. I never.. and I mean NEVER gif them expensive gifts.. not until I can be sure they not out to con me of my money.

The only expensive gift I ever gave any WL (this includes FLs and all) was a SGD300+ watch.. and I can disclose.. this was to the now retired.. married.. and a mother.. BBBJ Queen, Baixue.

She nvr demanded expensive gifts.. but was looking for a watch.. and I also tested her by asking her wat kind she wanted.. in fact, on the shopping trip we went.. I tested her wif an offering of a pair of Levis jeans (which acentuated her butt) worth SGD500, and I told her u can choose the jeans or the watch. Now.. she KNEW that the watch she wanted wud not go over 500sgd.. maybe close to 370.. and she picked the watch.. when I asked her later, she said, watch not so ex.. and watch got meaning as it is said to bring luck.. strange.. i tot pants olso bring luck (i canto).. but her response made me feel that she was also looking out for my wallet.

In the end, I also went shopping wif her to buy 2 dresses total worth over sgd120 for her. And to be honest, I nvr spent mre than 600sgd on gifts on Baixue, but that was cos I visited her often.. and she was in sg for close to 2 years.. back n forth.

Y I say no expensive gifts? Not even for GL WLs? Cos.. if u show urself to be rich.. u r setting urself up for their chopping block. If u wan to gif, my suggestion is to gif simple things.. small soft toys to begin wif.. most MMs like that.. some not too ex perfume (some costs below sgd50), or buy some local delights for them. I bought coconut candy for JS, ding ding candy for her.. and she ate them all.

Call me el cheapo, but in the beginning, I dun wan to gif them any impression that I can splurge tons of cash on them. the most sessions I spent in GL was 4 in a row.. and that was only wif JS.. cos the SEX was so fcuking awesome. I cummed 4 times in that session.. legs were soft.. and almost fell down the stairs in willie's house when leaving.

Now, dun get me wrong.. if u got the cash.. (and I noe some here got it.. ), I dun mean to say u r wat or wat by giving them expensive gifts.. if u want to, I can't say u r wrong or call u names.. it's ur style. If it gets u wat u want, then both parties r happy. But i find that my method of not invesing too much money.. and observing to see how they react, shows me which gals can allow me to haf a mre worthwhile RTF sessions.

My logic is.. when the gal noes u not SUPER rich, she wun expect u to gif her that much luxury goods. She is genuinely happy to see u return to see her.. and that emotion cant be masked.

Of course, u can decide to gif them one expensive item over a period of time. but I refrain from too expensive stuff. My range is SGD50-100, and no mre. yeah.. I el cheapo.. but I wan the gal to noe.. I respect her n reali like her.. not use my money to make her work or like me. No offense to all rich bros or those who do unlike me.. but this is my own style and my own opinion.

And, for a rule.. I never bring the gals to 4 or 5 star hotels. Even for overnite, I wud still prefer budget to 3 star.. my rationale is.. simple.. 5 star.. if suddenly someone u noe is there to meet a client or someone or dinner or wat.. u get caught. Plus.. spend over sgd 400-500 for a night for a possible 2 shot or less wif the gal.. is really a waste of money. H81 costs less than 80sgd for one nite.. and sometimes got no room somemre.

Let me put it dis way, go into the 5 star hotel room, yeah got bathtub (usually), bigger room.. some drinks and maybe a fridge.. but wat de heck.. ur main action is usually on the bed. Not unless u like to carry the gal and move all around the room. And the bathtub u still nid to fill wif hot water.. n if washing.. den u cant fuck in it. Not unless u wash up first.. then fill the bathtub wif water.. and do some foreplay while tub is filling wif water.

And.. for the most part. not a lot of gals like to fcuk in water.. i duno y.. but most dun like it. My ex gf dun like it.. the gal i met in SZ says bathtubs r dirty (sian.. but she ok wif me fucking her non-stop on bed.. so.. watever).. some say uncomfortable.. so.. u can only like washup and play a little foam or soapy fun in bathtub.. no real action.. unless u got a gal who specifically TELLS u, " wana fcuk inside a bathtub filled wif hot water" yes.. hot water.. cos inside the hotel room.. sure got AC.. ur water will turn cold quite fast.

Unless u meet the gal overseas (like I did) then picking a 3-4 star hotel or.. if got promo.. 5 star hotel can be considered. But think wisely, spend mre on hotel room, then less on shopping.. and lesser to gif gal.. u haf to choose.

For me.. i wun pay mre for hotel room.. not if I can find affordable n clean rooms wif not alot of frills.

Ok.. as for how long shud u wait till u wan to gif them ex gifts.. I think u decide la.. for me.. after 5 rtfs.. if i see the gal really so happy to see me.. and not ask for gifts n wat.. I will gif something.. soft toy to start wif.

Ok.. I stop here la.. dinner soon.

I stress.. above is my style.. my method of approaching the gals.. Im not saying u HAF to follow my style.. just sharing how i approach them.

[Tension68]

Originally Posted by BGNeo

Bro Tension68,

Have to agree with u on what u have posted so far, cannot treat those PRC that treat u like trash well.

Hope u can share ur experiences on how to handle those REALLY expert in KC ones, i got a friend who went to this "Facial Hub" and fell for this PRC, he now quite jia lat emotionally. The girl now don't even return his calls/sms, I being his good friend have to stand by him which is tiring for me.

Hope u can share some tips and experiences and best way to counter act these Tactics they do, and oh ya one more thing is it true that some of these KC experts go through some training or courses how to hook man, i heard from a friend no idea how true?

bro.. no sure method.
U just nid to keep one thing in mind.
You spend money on them.. besides SEX, companionship (to a certain degree) wat else can they gif u?
dun forget, she is from PRC. Who is waiting for her in PRC? do u noe?
cud be bf, fiance' or hubby n kids even.. even for mms at age 20+, they cud be mothers n u nvr noe unless got stretch marks.. n even this can be removed wif good cosmetic surgery.

as for going thru training.. tat i duno.. but I do noe they get tips from their frens or "sisters", n some r reali bad advice n bad advisors.
bad advice or bad advisors can be cos jealous n so wan to ruin it for the gal.. or jus duno SG men or men in general.

if gal spends a lot of time on phone but dun wan u to hear or let u hear wad she say, one sign that either she consulting for advice, or toking wif bf/fiance/hubby/other custs.

Seriously, after fcuking them n they got ur money.. wad else do u want?
marry them? culture is diff, thinking is diff, and u duno her background.. think hard on this.

Unless u go visit her home, spend some time wif her there.. try to understand how she lives, and get an idea of what she wants.. then perhaps u might wan to consider other options.

if u haf the money.. bao her in PRC lor.. dun do it here la.. too ex. I noe some ppl here who has the means do it. U set her up in a place in PRC, not too ex. and maybe even send her to a school or training centre to learn some stuff.. mms might grab for u. Why? cos lodgind is provided liao.. so she can sleep.. and when u go visit her.. no nid go hotel.. and she gets to pick up a skill n not waste time idling away or try to FL to get money or meet guys to drive away the boredom.

but be prepared if u do bao her in PRC.. when u r not around.. nothing to stop her from seeing other men. Not unless u hire PI to trail her.

[Tension68]

Originally Posted by facuv

To a certain extent, i now find those that have regularly cheong/RTF amazing. How do you not like the girl after regular RTF? And not get vulnerable to the girl getting "lazy".

Meeting new girls are so cumbersome as well, as there is always risk of bad service.

And the experiences are quite interesting.. maybe you should write a book -"The wisdom of paying for sex"

bro.. write book nids alot of stories.. i alone might not haf enuf for book.
wif mre experienced bros here who willing to collaborate.. cud be possible.

n i do agree wif u on the RTF thing. First of all, if svc gud u rtf once or twice.. but if only svc gud n nothing else.. other gud svc providers olso haf wat.

The basic thing y someone chooses to RTF one WL mre than 3 times is not just based on gud svc alone. IMHO, looks, chemistry (how both interact n respond to one another), and a like-factor for the other person. We humans r emotional creatures.. if we like something, we will engage in that something mre.

So, if u like to eat bak kut teh, chances are, u will eat that mre than other kinds of food.. when going to a eatery where selection of bkt is available.

If u like sex, u will find ways of doing it.. whether masturbating or paying.. down to committing crime like molestation n rape.

And if u like someone, u will most likely want to go meet up n see them mre often.

So, RTF is one indication that custy likes the WL/FL. The gals noe this too.. so they try their KC power if they wan to.. or whenever they can. Y? cos playing the KC factor builds up mre relationship points for them.. and the like-factor can increase n even branch to loyalty factor.

It is not uncommon that if u like someone, u can eventually develop a kind of loyalty to that someone. Eg, fighting for them when they get bullied or watever. hence, y so many war of words happen when someone puts up a bad FR on a WL. the cheongster who likes this WL, if having read it.. will almost definitely fight for the WL.

And in all fairness, that's fine.. but if that war of words gets too long-drawn.. and then becomes personal.. it does no-one any gud.

Hart to stay reasonable all the time.. but always take a look on the other party's view.. and maybe things wun go too nasty.

[Compass68]

Originally Posted by Tension68

No la, she in KL la.. i can't fly to KL to meet her in short notice.. no actual biz up there.. n no reason to gif to sneak over there for mre than 2 days..

.. bro.. this ex-GL was way way b4 i met JS la.. u forget I cheong GL for how long liao meh?

Not JS ah?
but u say got QQ ctc leh.. i saw u post request for her QQ.. no?
paiseh la. but i reali curious wor..

so how much u intended to gif in ang pao.. n how much u reali gif ah?
i nid to learn olso.. b4 i go prc land to shiok shiok