woes of a tirak

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

1st off, i must say that i'm in some ways encouraged by some of the exchagned opinions in recent days.

Hi,
My point of view, when you fall in love with somebody, you will not mind her past. What is troubling all brothers here is the doubt of how true these WL feel toward us compare to we toward them. We can never know whether they are telling lies or not....when certain of the relationship, I am confident, brothers here will go all out to do whatever is necessary...agreed???

[The Punisher]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

So all in all, my analysis is simple. If the girl really loves you, money is never the topic. Money is the topic when the girl is not in love with you.

Further to that, money (or the lack of it) is also the excuse that I see many guys use to allow their tiraks to continue working.

I take any challenge that I can bring a girl out of GL Cat40 if she sincerely wants to leave without paying whatever anyone says, regardless of which house or OKT rules.

If you talk about debts back home, rest assured it's NOT a lone ump sum repayment because if she is working to pay debts off, she's also paying monthly. Also, I don't believe that the debts goes into millions of baht. If she tells you that, rest assured, it's a con.

As for building houses, preparing for a better life, it can always be done with the guy and his tirak together.

What kind of a guy will let his tirak sells her body to bulit house, buy pickup, have reasonable bank account, pay off debts, etc... and then when everything is fine with her, claims that he loves her so much that he wants to marry her?

What I think is the guys are only using the OKT payoff, not enough money, etc as an excuse as they are trying to find the "cheapest" way to be with their so-called tiraks.

If you make a comparison, what's so different is a guy who has a tirak still working as a WL from the thai piichi that we "look up to the guy but despises the thai piichai? Other than the thai piichai living off the earnings of the thai girl, both the guy and the thai piichai has no qualms about their tirak working as a WL.

I can't imagine one day when they are married. Should finances be a problem, that the guys won't really mind if their wives go back to the trade? If you can bear that once, surely you'll have no qualms to have her do it again, right?

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by The Punisher

Further to that, money (or the lack of it) is also the excuse that I see many guys use to allow their tiraks to continue working.

I take any challenge that I can bring a girl out of GL Cat40 if she sincerely wants to leave without paying whatever anyone says, regardless of which house or OKT rules.

At least I see someone who has the same logically thinking as me.

But as to the challenge, you may be overdoing it as although there are ways to do it, there might be underlying problems that mighy crop up too.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

its not always the case where the man would love her enough to bail her outta the job,

Now THAT's the reason why most guys still let their tiraks continue to work in the flesh trade, and give all kinds of excuses and reasonings that it's difficult to stop her work and let her go back due to whatever.

n its often the case where the guy lppl, bcos bailing her out is not within his financial means. he then has to bear the pain, soaking the pillow w tears on those sleepless nights, stomach the fury of jealousy, hide those woes on a daily basis... simply bcos he cant perform the miracle in such a short notice.

Often the case? Sorry bro but I have to say it's bullshit!

Bear the pain? Soaking pillow with tears? Sleepness nights? stomach fury of jealousy? hide woes?

Please, spare me!

If a guy is having what you describe, you think when he visits his tirak he has the mood to bonk her? Or shouldn't he be just hugging and crying with the girl on his helplessness?

Eversince you decided that she is your tirak, how many times have you bonk her when you visit her? (I'm sure you'll say there are times you didn't bonk her.) How many times you go there and cry that you feel so helpless that she has to continue to be bonk by others?

Should you face reality and actually discussed the options with your tirak on what to do to get her out asap instead of waiting for her ORD?

As what bro punisher says, are you using excuses?

Shouldn't you be finding solutions rather that pour out your story which of course, your fellow supporters will see you as some kind of hero.

I don't know. It's just my 2 cents worth.

[The Punisher]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

At least I see someone who has the same logically thinking as me.

But as to the challenge, you may be overdoing it as although there are ways to do it, there might be underlying problems that mighy crop up too.

Sir, what I'm trying to imply is that when there is a will, there is a way.

Please see my PM to you.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by The Punisher

Sir, what I'm trying to imply is that when there is a will, there is a way.

Please see my PM to you.

Your point is noted.

Cheers

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

...Please, spare me!

If a guy is having what you describe, you think when he visits his tirak he has the mood to bonk her? Or shouldn't he be just hugging and crying with the girl on his helplessness?

Eversince you decided that she is your tirak, how many times have you bonk her when you visit her? (I'm sure you'll say there are times you didn't bonk her.) How many times you go there and cry that you feel so helpless that she has to continue to be bonk by others?

bro, u've hit it spot on... that is precisely how things (between me n my gal) progressed from KC to something real. yes, i'll spare u the details & breakdown of how few/little the bonks i've had since things kicked off. contents & agendas of our (between my gal n i) conversations... my confidentiality.

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

Should you face reality and actually discussed the options with your tirak on what to do to get her out asap instead of waiting for her ORD?...

I don't know. It's just my 2 cents worth.

TV, u may not like wat i'm about to write here, but issues as such r inevitable in tirakship.

1) if the man happens to be a cash rich dirty old man, he can easily bail her out of the situation, perhaps even feed her & family & extended family for a gd decade or 2 b4 he 教登记. then what happens? the poor ger have to spread her legs again (bcos now got children to feed & educate) ?? feasible, but may not be as lasting, cos the old man might have his own family to finance.

2) if the ger chooses a sincere young chap who has the $ to bail her out, but financially incapable of feeding her & family (dont need to count extended family), the issues/needs that drove her into this job is yet to be resolved. not unless he's got the means to get her out n be the husband she'd love n need. watever it is, there's gotta be some form of short/mid term goals set out, some form of deadline to get some things done.

3) worse case is when she falls for a NSF young fuck who got no $ no time for her, only got a strong 弟弟 to pump her when he books out on wkends. all the more there's hardly any feasibility of the tirakship to endure the whole 9 yards.

i'm sure those that r sincere actually discuss the financial matters to get her out of the job asap. if reality is the issue of financial stability, what can the guy do but to wait? not unless suddenly he strike toto jackpot.

p.s.: i believe i'm not just speaking for myself here.. i know there happens to be many here in the same league bt havent been vocal about their opinions.

[red-perrier]

Originally Posted by The Punisher

Sir, what I'm trying to imply is that when there is a will, there is a way.

Please see my PM to you.

punisher, nice way of putting it. dont disagree that where there's a will there's a way 天下无难事，只怕有心人. but i think you should also know 落花有意，流水无情. nothing is ever smooth sailing and conforms to how you will it.

i guess, fate has its own way of toying or fooling people's feelings. as if life is not hard enough already.

[peterfish]

Originally Posted by The Punisher

Sir, what I'm trying to imply is that when there is a will, there is a way.

.

But the problem is how many ppls have strong enough will to see it through?

[red-perrier]

Originally Posted by +++++++for

...Why wait for her ORD? By the time she ORD, does it mean she will have enough money to solve her financial problems? If by the time she ORD and she still dont have enough and you are not able to help her, how? What are you going to do? Let her continue her trade becuase you are incapable of providing for her and her family?..

fren, do your mathematics lah... any WL who on avg have 10-15 customers daily+ON bookings, if work continually for full 2yrs in the scene.(assuming she 大姨妈 once a month+fall ill 2days amonth) with minimum expenditure (cos all the things squeezed from all the 菜头 ). its impossible she cant have enough. she probably got sufficient to run a few small time businesses if she's into entreprenuership. even if she dont wanna do business, she can sparingly ration this big pool of income for the next 5-7yrs supporting her family or to finance siblings studies.

so in this case,

Originally Posted by s+++++++for

Financial problems not solved before ORD will not be solved after ORD.

is out of point.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

1) if the man happens to be a cash rich dirty old man, he can easily bail her out of the situation, perhaps even feed her & family & extended family for a gd decade or 2 b4 he 教登记. then what happens? the poor ger have to spread her legs again (bcos now got children to feed & educate) ?? feasible, but may not be as lasting, cos the old man might have his own family to finance.

2) if the ger chooses a sincere young chap who has the $ to bail her out, but financially incapable of feeding her & family (dont need to count extended family), the issues/needs that drove her into this job is yet to be resolved. not unless he's got the means to get her out n be the husband she'd love n need. watever it is, there's gotta be some form of short/mid term goals set out, some form of deadline to get some things done.

3) worse case is when she falls for a NSF young fuck who got no $ no time for her, only got a strong 弟弟 to pump her when he books out on wkends. all the more there's hardly any feasibility of the tirakship to endure the whole 9 yards.

I am appalled at the way you reply

1) Cash Rich Dirty Old Man
2) Sincere Young Chap
3) NSF Young Fuck

Let me ask you, which category do you belong in then?

Why must an old man be labelled Cash rich and dirty and the NSF must be labelled young fuck while the young chap is put across as sincere?

From the way you reply, speaks volumes of the kind of thinking you have in this relationship.

SC

[critic]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

I am appalled at the way you reply

1) Cash Rich Dirty Old Man
2) Sincere Young Chap
3) NSF Young Fuck

Let me ask you, which category do you belong in then?

Why must an old man be labelled Cash rich and dirty and the NSF must be labelled young fuck while the young chap is put across as sincere?

From the way you reply, speaks volumes of the kind of thinking you have in this relationship.

SC

Exactly. And which category is our friend free?

And now you know why I always take a swipe at that guy Suteerak1099 for his ridiculous general statements, which are littered throughout the thread. That may answer you, free, regarding yr PM to me.

critic

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by red-perrier

fren, do your mathematics lah... any WL who on avg have 10-15 customers daily+ON bookings, if work continually for full 2yrs in the scene.(assuming she 大姨妈 once a month+fall ill 2days amonth) with minimum expenditure (cos all the things squeezed from all the 菜头 ). its impossible she cant have enough. she probably got sufficient to run a few small time businesses if she's into entreprenuership. even if she dont wanna do business, she can sparingly ration this big pool of income for the next 5-7yrs supporting her family or to finance siblings studies.

so in this case, is out of point.

5-7 years is enough for a normal thai family.

But 5-7 years enough for a thai working lady family meh?
Real life case study.

GL Cat40 during its peak year 1999. 1 girl each day minimum 25 session. Every other night booking. ORD after 1 year. Within 9 months, money all finish, in debts and go to England and work.

This is my 1st tirak.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by critic

Exactly. And which category is our friend free?

critic

I don't want to know which category Free is in. I am just appalled at the kind of answer Suteerak can give in this 3 scenarios. Especially the labelling and the reasons he can think for the 3 categories.

Who don't want to be a cash rich, sincere, young NSF?

SC

[critic]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

I don't want to know which category Free is in. I am just appalled at the kind of answer Suteerak can give in this 3 scenarios. Especially the labelling and the reasons he can think for the 3 categories.

Who don't want to be a cash rich, sincere, young NSF?

SC

Like I said in my previous post, this is not the 1st time I countered Suteerak1099 because of his general swipe at everything to justify whatever he's doing. This thread are littered with general swipes at everything from flight attendant, NS et al. Otherwise, it is his decision and his rights to pursue what he wants and no one will care 2 hoots about.

critic