woes of a tirak

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by free

Problem is u poke ur nose into so many areas that u mixed up ABC with XYZ, Of course u are not to be blamed, for u are only trying to help/teach. Really? .

very neat qualifying statement, dun u think? After all the shit and twist and turns u made, putting words I have never said into my mouth? U call yrself a responsible person? If you re one, u will not depend entirely on what I posted to make ur analysis. cos u know no one can ever write everything down, even if he writes a lot. No, u will make time for me, sit down with and go thru with me, explain to me and help see if I was blind. Face it, you are simply doing all this for ur own fun, irrregardless.

How can u be wrong? Aren;t u always right? Of course u cannot be wrong for in SBF you seem to act like God impersonate, ever omnipotent and omnipresent. Maybe u really think u are. Please, dun need to analyze taht much about others. Lay out ur own life-experiences for others to see and learn from. Share ur mistakes, ur pains and how u overcome them. of course share ur joys too. All these had been a well kept secret, who u go shooting from the hips at others. That will be the useful thing to do.

No, I don't poke my noes in too many areas. Funny thing is that why people come to me? Just like the samster whom you tried to borrow money from? "Waaaa Free ani jialet meh?" He asked. "Don't have money why go? Somemore we don't know each other and yet he DARE to borrow ah?" "Ee bo paleh peng yu meh?" "E chu lai bo lang tao kar chiew meh?" and so on and so forth.

Not to talk about others who also came to me.

Which part of my post is not true? Or which you want it to be not true? tell me... and for your sake and your reputation in this forum, I'll tell them it was all made up by me.

Now you come and say shouldn't analyse entirely on your posts? Sit down with you? When the samster told me, I check back the posts, and wanted to tlak to you eventhough you had already gone and came back as I wanted to talk to you about lessons to be learnt from that incidents and others too. I sms to you when I'm in Singapore, called your phone but no reply... as if you were avoiding me with regards to another incident?

How many of my posts were about you, although I did not say it directly? Really, like I say, you are living in a world of dreams that you can't even realised that. You want me to highlight which posts?

Please pray, do tell.

thaivisitor

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

My analysis could be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong. If I'm wrong, good for his tirak, good for bro Free, good for their relationship and good for fellow bros trying to learn something from here. But if I'm right? No problem for bro Free as he can always find another girl, bad for his tirak, and bad for all the fellow bros who were trying to learn something from here.
Question is, is my analysis wrong? or right?

thaivisitor

Yo,

I didn't know nowadays you like to write essays like free or suteerak. (Sorry, I didn't really read through all what you wrote but just running through quickly and getting all the impt paragraphs)

It's not right to wash Free in this manner in a public forum. There is always a limit. Though I think your intentions for Free is good. Over these past 2-3 years, Free has been posting his journey in various parts, and there are many bystanders who can see a clearer picture than the person himself who is in it. I don't know Free that well to comment on him, but those who met up with him, I believed would have said what they feel they should say to him.

Whether Free listen or not, is up to him. Though your words are blunt, but its very sharp and really cuts through everything.

Does Free post false impressions on his versions of his journey to paint a beautiful picture? We don't need to agree or disagree. I supposed you do know the truth behind in some parts.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

however, we must acknowledge the fact that when the WL/FL finishes w the 2yr or less stint in this scene, she's back on dry land and is undoubtedly still the loveable TG. perhaps presently, in the eyes of the tirak (though she's confinded in the tanks during operating hrs)...she's nothing less than a TG.

just to tap a little on this...when the WL/FL ORDs she's gotta look fwd to leading a common or if not a more comfortable/meaningful life to lead. not unless she's dedicated her life to spreading her legs (as we see those auntie FLs in the coffeeshops of GL touting for business amongst old men).

Their life has changed once they step into this trade. U may think they are the loveable innocent TG when they ORD. But lets not forget the term ORD. They have every chance to return.

U want to talk about being an urban legend in the house? I have even been interpreted as saviour to change a WL's life, but I never believe in their words. Because day in day out, the lies still come in and sometimes it becomes SOP that every single time I have to wash their face with their lies.

Like what my "master" tells me, PLEASE DON"T LIE TO ME, COS I LIE EVERYTIME."

Take their words at discounted rates. Those big sale discounted rates at least with 70-80% off.
These girls spent time more with their friends than with their tiraks. The day they are in this flesh trade, they are no longer deemed innocent. Yes, they can change but they cannot get back the innocence they once had.

SC

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Yo,

I didn't know nowadays you like to write essays like free or suteerak.

Whether Free listen or not, is up to him. Though your words are blunt, but its very sharp and really cuts through everything.

Does Free post false impressions on his versions of his journey to paint a beautiful picture? We don't need to agree or disagree. I supposed you do know the truth behind in some parts.

SC

No lah... actually I didn't want to post.

I did want to post in his other thread once when I sense a little agression in the tone of his post, but eventually I refrained from doing so as i treated him as a friend which I'm sure he was aware of. Don't think he'll consider that now.

Did he hit a raw nerve of mine which he tot he did? Got to be kidding!

Look at his past few posts and you can see who is the one defending himself. That was not the way he posted in defence to many others. That was not his style of posting. But apparently, you can even "feel" the desperation and aggression there in his recent posts.

So whose raw nerves were hit? And why? No matter how much we deny the truth, the fact is that the truth is the truth.

thaivisitor

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by critic

You are an Urban legend?
Religious or

Darwinian or

literally morphing yrself as a legend.

Irrespective, you may want to check this out.

http://www.imh.com.sg/

critic

lol, interesting perspective on ur understanding for the term "ürban legend". wouldnt expect anyone to comprehend anyway, cos therés not many who've seen/witnessed, bothered to try wooing, attempted to comprehend & truly understand the gal.

nothing much to boast about - needless for me to spell out the things i've done for my gal, nor need i list down the rest of the agenda in my to-do list, right now its just the recognitions & that i've become the talk of the hse, credentials for the merits i've earned based on some past events taken place quite sometime ago (during late 2004 in my gal's hse), in that even the new recruits in the hse r talking n chatting about. those envious cute puppy flirtatious teasing stares of the envious colleagues of my gal's when i visit. wouldnt be surprised that i'd soon be recognized by a stranger or another WL/FL if i ever go to GM to makan.

nevertheless no need to be worrying too much for me, cos i'm just same as most here, yet different in my own way. i crave for the much talked about GF feeling, but i enjoy giving in return the BF feeling too.

again i must say, such r my own opinions & terms of being entertained in the GL scene. to each his own...just as to ITCH, his own.

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

...whose to blame if the TG was not offered the truth, thus making uncalculated judgements and evaluations? How often is it that we see guys impressing the tiraks drawing a beatiful picture of their "commitment" loyalty, , etc, etc? Their tiraks, being the leass educated, more naive, thai viallage girls, would tend to believe them basing on what they see on the surface.

thats y, its necessary/advisable for the tirak-wannabe to be able to accept her hhumble background, inadiquacies, kampong thinking... hold her hand, be her guide/pillar of strength/shoulder to cry on. take her outta the sinking sand pit, clean her up n lead her forth to better life for the future.

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

Yet again, we often noticed that she becomes the reason for him to pretend to be the best man so much so that he is able to convince her not to reject him despite hiding truths from her.

if he choose to be the pretender more than the genuine tirak, present to her all the false hopes n dreams that he never bothered to even make happen...then its just too bad for the chap. so in the end when things dont happen...he just gotta suck thumb n bang his own balls like colliding pendulums

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

Well, not everyone think alike. Some may think that a women, especially TGs, are like participants in a fame award where you analyse each one to see whether she passed your standards, or not to finally pick the "winner" as if he's God's gift to women.

gd pt!! many like to build that podium (by stacking countless scores of fallen WL/FL) to raise themselves high up to boost their ever diminishing ego. wouldnt be too keen to probe n discover the sad story that leads one to practice such habits anyway...

[DNAT]

Originally Posted by critic

It's a good resource for studying character behavior and what not to do.

only you dare to say the above loud loud

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

I have no problems whatsoever if a guy's in love with an WL/FL, ex or no ex. I never had any problems with TGs who are WLs or FLs or whatever people may wish to call them. ... I encouraged people who are involved in a relationship with a TG, whether there are ex-WL or not, doesn't matter. But I like to see happy endings, especially so for the TG as I don't really bother much about the guy as it's easier for a guy to pick up the broken pieces and move on in life.

So if I see a guy doing things which I feel is not right for his relationship, I try to get the guy to change. Things that he has done that although may not be directly related to his relationship, but affects his character, will one day affect his relationship. If the relationship crumbles, the girl suffers.

But some people are too blinded by their dream-like world, thinking that whatever they are doing, is right for their relationship. They feel that they are perfect, and even when we're referring or implying to them, they still think that we are talking about their tiraks bad points. That's the extend of their dreams!

...Take for example, from my analysis of one particular incident of bro Free, my analysis is that he's not that really close to his parents or brothers and sisters eventhough he may have said what the mother thinks of his TG, how his brothers and sisters will adore his tirak, etc. From my analysis, I would also say that bro Free doesn't really have close friends so to speak eventhough he may have said that he only share certain information with his close friends.

My analysis could be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong.... Question is, is my analysis wrong? or right?

thaivisitor

TV, now that u've made it clear, i can comprehend n definately appreciate ur level of concern for others. lets also be reminded that forums posted here may not necessarily be testimonials. there's never a perfect relationship, some induldge in bonking cos they got issues w wife, some cos they got bigger sexual appettite than most, some just prefer the company in the privacy of the room...etc

so for those who've moved on to the next phase, where they've overcome the stage where the gal was in the trade. its somehow a form of encouragement too. of cos, we're not advocating that we must find a TG for a wife, nor should we be advising against those who've made their choices. big kudos to u for being impartial n being generous in yr advises.

since this forum is about the commercial sex scene, n this thread for tirakship matters, i think its safe for us not to probe into other's domestic issues. concern is good...without a doubt.. bt its just not gd to probe ya...

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

thats y, its necessary/advisable for the tirak-wannabe to be able to accept her hhumble background, inadiquacies, kampong thinking... hold her hand, be her guide/pillar of strength/shoulder to cry on. take her outta the sinking sand pit, clean her up n lead her forth to better life for the future.

Fair enough if the guy has that genuine intention. The problem is some will tend to take advantage of the TG and thus paint a beautiful picture of how the TG will have the best of lives with him. Sometimes it's not the guy's fault especially since he isn't aware of the direction he's heading but has the right intentions. the problem is, most guys think they know what they're doing and won't put out their listening ears when others tried to hint to them, since they will say they knows best as it is thenm in the relationship while the onlookers are more or less bull-shitters as it is impossible for onlookers to know what's going on.

if he choose to be the pretender more than the genuine tirak, present to her all the false hopes n dreams that he never bothered to even make happen...then its just too bad for the chap. so in the end when things dont happen...he just gotta suck thumb n bang his own balls like colliding pendulums

The problem as I stated above are the types that don't even realised it themselves. They feel that they are Mr Perfect, knowing exactly what they are doing whilst actually they are really feeling what they dream about thmeselves.

gd pt!! many like to build that podium (by stacking countless scores of fallen WL/FL) to raise themselves high up to boost their ever diminishing ego. wouldnt be too keen to probe n discover the sad story that leads one to practice such habits anyway...

Many like to access whether the girl is good enough for them or not. Whether their families passed their mark etc, etc... but when as far as whether the girl has a chance to do the same assessment, the girls will have to take the guys words as to how his family will react to the girl, and not let the girl witness, experience, and assess herself.

It's a case of "I have to go see for myself but you have to accpet when I say everything will be alright for you".

Originally Posted by DNAT

only you dare to say the above loud loud

uncle, u feel like taking an afternoon nap after reading all their 长篇大论

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

since this forum is about the commercial sex scene, n this thread for tirakship matters, i think its safe for us not to probe into other's domestic issues. concern is good...without a doubt.. bt its just not gd to probe ya...

Bro, it's not that I wanted to probe into personal affairs of others, that would be the last thing I wanted to do, especially with one whom I considered a friend. Had I wanted to do that, I could have done it long ago.

But all my previous, I tried to "generalise" without being specific, just as my answrs to your posts. The affected parties should know themselves and be realistic instead of continuing to post their visions of journeys on solid land while actually it is thin ice.

Too bad, the sort of "challenge" me as they don't "see" the generalisation as such, the need for specifics.

Hope that it may be a lesson learnt for others.

thaivisitor

By the way, I'm already receiving PMs from bros to thank me for highlighting and won't be surprise if my PM box is full if I don't surf this evening.

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Their life has changed once they step into this trade. U may think they are the loveable innocent TG when they ORD. But lets not forget the term ORD. They have every chance to return.

U want to talk about being an urban legend in the house? I have even been interpreted as saviour to change a WL's life, but I never believe in their words. Because day in day out, the lies still come in and sometimes it becomes SOP that every single time I have to wash their face with their lies.

Like what my "master" tells me, PLEASE DON"T LIE TO ME, COS I LIE EVERYTIME."

Take their words at discounted rates. Those big sale discounted rates at least with 70-80% off.
These girls spent time more with their friends than with their tiraks. The day they are in this flesh trade, they are no longer deemed innocent. Yes, they can change but they cannot get back the innocence they once had.

SC

i understand yr sentiments, fact is.. we all tell lies for varied reasons, or if not then its just a set of incomplete truth. whichever way we choose to present it.

about the urban legend thing, i mean to say that if we hardly ever try & in return go spreading that the grapes r sour, go round crying foul cos didnt impress/earned the love/respect from the gal. for me to be recognised really isnt all that a big deal afterall... nevertheless still a small form of encouragement that i've worked enough to earn that form of recognision, more importantly making my gal feel special/gd & greatly envied by her colleagues (my way of demonstrating the BF feeling towards her, who knows maybe 1 day become hubby feeling)

some say i spoil mkt, bt then again.. who doesnt. we've heard of those who splurge their cash on the gal faster that burning stacks of incense papers, heard of those who've taken the gal for spin all round sg...sponsor trips for all places of interests, buy jewellery as if buying dozens of eggs etc. if i were to compare the things that i've given/done for her... values on receipts is greatly inferior, bt the appreciation alone is more rewarding than any of those...if i may even exaggerate... i think upped my life expectance by couple of months lol

watever it is, if the guy truly has earned the love/respect from the gal...n that the gal is totally committed to him, she will do all she can to change for him. generally, society's made up of a just a few kinda gals: some profess their love (no action talk only), some they express their love(talk & force themselve to be the 'little woman'), some hide their love(dare not commit/inferiority complex/identity crisis), some demonstrate their love(perform their duties/live out the integrity required), some dunno how to love.

every jailbird deserves a 2nd chance, just as every WL/FL deserves a new life. redemption of innocence is just as impossible as their virginity, though the hymen can be surgically reconstructed again. they're gals afterall, and should be given a chance to exprience love like any other gal.

so its only after we've tried & invested ample time & effort... then we can finally have a closure/conclusion to the rship/tirakship.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

i understand yr sentiments, fact is.. we all tell lies for varied reasons, or if not then its just a set of incomplete truth. whichever way we choose to present it.

about the urban legend thing, i mean to say that if we hardly ever try & in return go spreading that the grapes r sour, go round crying foul cos didnt impress/earned the love/respect from the gal. for me to be recognised really isnt all that a big deal afterall... nevertheless still a small form of encouragement that i've worked enough to earn that form of recognision, more importantly making my gal feel special/gd & greatly envied by her colleagues (my way of demonstrating the BF feeling towards her, who knows maybe 1 day become hubby feeling)

It's a feel good factor for you to make you bring your guard down against them. I have seen a couple of such "urban legends" in a single night of ON and I can say is each time the same "urban legend" title will be conferred on the tirak of the night. Which I wanted to ask how come your tirak is different from the last time I saw one??? Dumbstruck as always and I wouldn't be surprised if i was the Saviour among the so-called many saviours

Remember the place when we meet this people. It's in a brothel. Never forget it. To you, it may be Hse XX. At points of time, I did thought of it as HseXX. But I snapped out and have to wake myself up telling myself, HseXX is a brothel


SC

[LengKia]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

every jailbird deserves a 2nd chance, just as every WL/FL deserves a new life. redemption of innocence is just as impossible as their virginity, though the hymen can be surgically reconstructed again. they're gals afterall, and should be given a chance to exprience love like any other gal.

Well said but i do wonder what if i put my guard down against them.
Once the shield is remove sure die...otherwise we should project a tough image in front of the Thai WLs. scare die so must be protective nowdays...isn't that correct mindset to cheong.
Sometimes i really admire your courage and open heart attitute towards them . Are we inviting trouble?..no offend

[critic]

Originally Posted by DNAT

only you dare to say the above loud loud

Nah Des... just discharging my social responsibility in preserving a folklore. I really mean it... no joke.

critic