woes of a tirak

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by ruhua_

they are in the same fag (oops!) I mean tag team.
just look at their writing style, almost identical. even their thinking!

the only similiarity between free & i r just the depth & concise writing so as to minimize unnecessary rectifications ding-donging to & fro. and that we share some perspectives & opinions about TG/WL/FL.

nevertheless, there's still some differences, which is y we often meet to debate & understand each other.

the differences, i intend to live up to my nick in becoming a suteerak, & to some extent... some even regard me as an urban legend at my gal's hse. whilst free is the folklore of the present day in his gf's hometown.

[suteerak1099]

a poor man saved his finances little by little, bit by bit, day by day religiously. came 1 day when he finally saved up enough to lease a plot of land, in all his decades of existance - developed the passion for agriculture. decided to do what he knows best...hoping to put the best foot forward in that he can eventually hang his head high, so he can walk head & shoulders above those who once laughed at his poverty.

un-assisted he erected a shelter out of planks where he can lay his battered body to rest, overlooking the plot of land he leased & intends to make a padi field out of. the following day, no time wasted, he dug the water trough by night, flooded the field by day, ploughed the land inch by inch fuelled by passion & anxiety for many days. when the field was ready, he went along to the neighboring fields to beg for grains/seeds in that he may soon start sowing. the gracious neighbor spares him a handfull, so precious was every grain that he wrapped them with grace using his tattered shirt, making sure no seed was wasted.

carefully n dilligently, he planted/sowed tirelessly...passers by cheering him, hurling words of encouragements having witnessed his anxiety & passion day by day, working from sunrise till sun down, scringing on watever little that he can afford from the residual unspent savings he had.

days became weeks, weeks to months, the seedlings began sprouting n this gave the farmer more encouragement & boosted his energy to continue working the fields to water n nourish the fields with watever little manure he could afford. the passers by continued their cheering & words of encouragement each time they greeted him.

when months dragged a little longer to summer, when the temperature rose and the farmer got frustrated with the very slow n gradual growth, disheartened each time 1 or 2 stalks of the seedlings withered or infected by insects. was on the verge of giving up till some passers-by came along to cheer him on again. after some rounds of vintage wine sipping, he soon was tipdy n dozed off while the rest of the peers stumbled home.

rising the next day at the break of dawn, the farmer decides to give the seedlings a little assistance by manual extentions, pinching n uprooting them little by little. continued his route of watering like clockwork on daily basis. the blistering summer sun continued to show no mercy, n the seedlings withered out faster. eventually, the entire crops dried out as they're up rooted & couldnt be hydrated properly.

the dillgent farmer then learnt a painful n valuable lesson... never to rush into things. n let nature take its own course, for only time can tell. regardless the anticipation, expectations etc...at the end of the day, we all reap wat we sow.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by free

Why dun I post? Cos there is no point anymore. My search is over, My thinking aloud has been completed, I believe I have found my True Love. My lastest SYT test, I passed and now I am sure. Going for the last stretch. No one else matters anymore.

Sigh, let's not pollute this thread anymore. My thousand apologies, MR Suteerak

kekekekeke, if I'm not wrong, there was a samster who was posting about his journey with his tirak, and along the way, decided for whatever reasons, change tirak, then post his journey with the next tirak, and so on and so forth until today, which he feels is the one true love, which by the way was what he felt when he was in all his relationships.

kekekekeke, if I'm not wrong, it was one after another, and all those are ex WL or sometihng like dat lah... KNN if have a non-WL, don't know where to "insert" the story leh... kekekekekeke

kekekekekekekeke, now say dun post because no point liow... kekekekeke

Lastest test passed? kekekekekekeke, hahahahahahahahahahaha,

Don't know what test our samster friend went thru. All I know was that he was testing to see if she passed or not. kekekekekekeke

Imagine going for a test to become a doctor. Imagine being able to go thru the test with all fake answers, etc, etc. Imagine the tester is ignorant about it. Imagining "passing" the test. And imagining a few years down the road when there is a major surgery required.

How can I be poluuting the thread when I'm cleaning it up? kekekekekekeke

[critic]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

...
the differences, i intend to live up to my nick in becoming a suteerak, & to some extent... some even regard me as an urban legend at my gal's hse. whilst free is the folklore of the present day in his gf's hometown.

You are an Urban legend?
Religious or

Darwinian or

literally morphing yrself as a legend.

Irrespective, you may want to check this out.

http://www.imh.com.sg/

critic

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

at the end of the day, its nt the WL who's to be blamed. its the fool who makes poor judgements, makes poor evaluations, lack the much needed patience, test the bridge b4 the construction is remotely near complete.

On the otherhand, whose to blame if the TG was not offered the truth, thus making uncalculated judgements and evaluations? How often is it that we see guys impressing the tiraks drawing a beatiful picture of their "commitment" loyalty, , etc, etc? Their tiraks, being the leass educated, more naive, thai viallage girls, would tend to believe them basing on what they see on the surface.

in my own words: "if she's become the reason for u to be the better man, its only fair for u to be the reason for her to be a better woman too. be the prospect, be the reason, be the gd man that she'd be a fool to reject"

Yet again, we often noticed that she becomes the reason for him to pretend to be the best man so much so that he is able to convince her not to reject him despite hiding truths from her.

let this be known: the woman's heart is not a medal/badge/trophy for 1 to boast & celebrate with, n then stored away for dust to settle, for moss to thrive & maggots to feast.

Well, not everyone think alike. Some may think that a women, especially TGs, are like participants in a fame award where you analyse each one to see whether she passed your standards, or not to finally pick the "winner" as if he's God's gift to women.

Cheers
thaivisitor

Originally Posted by critic

You are an Urban legend?
Religious or

Darwinian or
literally morphing yrself as a legend.

hehe, thanks for the links. this quote very good

"The most outrageous lies that can be invented will find believers if a person only tells them with all his might." Mark Twain.

can apply to another (or a few) samster here.

Originally Posted by critic

Irrespective, you may want to check this out.

http://www.imh.com.sg/

critic

bwahahaha.......this is funny. up you!

[critic]

As for free and folklore...keke, I'm lost for words. Let me try.

I do agree though... the pic in the Adult section thread pg 6, at a pre-retirement phase [Insurance definition for mid forties till retirement], financially incapacitated [gathered from the post], divorced, criticised by counter views, maimed by faked nicks... but still going for it.

Indeed a folklore legend. No horse run.

Salute and waiting to master the ultimate SYT test... keke
critic

Originally Posted by free

Ruhua_,
cannot miss out this very important qualifying statement hor. Provided we learn from our mistakes of course!

.

"Forget the adage about learning from your own mistakes.
It's safer and more entertaining to learn from other people's mistakes!"Quote from Darwin Awards

We have to thank free (and suteerak1099) for his contributions

[free]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

kekekekeke, if I'm not wrong, there was a samster who was posting about his journey with his tirak, and along the way, decided for whatever reasons, change tirak, then post his journey with the next tirak, and so on and so forth until today, which he feels is the one true love, which by the way was what he felt when he was in all his relationships.

kekekekeke, if I'm not wrong, it was one after another, and all those are ex WL or sometihng like dat lah... KNN if have a non-WL, don't know where to "insert" the story leh... kekekekekeke

kekekekekekekeke, now say dun post because no point liow... kekekekeke

Lastest test passed? kekekekekekeke, hahahahahahahahahahaha,

Don't know what test our samster friend went thru. All I know was that he was testing to see if she passed or not. kekekekekekeke

Imagine going for a test to become a doctor. Imagine being able to go thru the test with all fake answers, etc, etc. Imagine the tester is ignorant about it. Imagining "passing" the test. And imagining a few years down the road when there is a major surgery required.

How can I be poluuting the thread when I'm cleaning it up? kekekekekekeke

Man O man, despite repeated request to go read, u never bother and still want to be Mr Know-all. Of my 4 that I had to finally choose from, 1 was in this for 2 weeks to earn money for her Uni, 2 were never in this line, and of course my ex-FL.

I post as & when I am free or have reasons to do so, like new turns of events. etc that I wish to share. For now, no news is good news. It means my journey with her is smooth, as it should be by now. Sorry hor, I am no longer at the beginning of my LDTR walk when we both were still not so sure of each other,even though we had know each other as friend for 1+ years, cos a tirak r/s is different. Its been 10 months since I started dating her the 1st time. She has done enough to proof her sincerity, and I have done my part to win her trust. We are both satisfied. That's good enuf, or I need to get yr permission? I dun think u would expect it either.

I still want to thank u for being the one who played a part in my choosing her over the 3 others. U opened my eyes to choose based on the future as well, and not just on the qualities each have today. For that, I am eternally grateful. This ger whom u think has been cheating me, lying to me? well she is the best thing that ever happened to me. U are not the one wanting to marry her, spending time with her. U dun even know her! Why u want to do this? I just cannot understand u.

Anyway, now that I know you get your "Juicy gossip" info from 3rd party and and talked like u know the ger, u know her history, like it was first-hand experience - like all the TGs came thru your hand. At least that was the impression u gave. Sorry, ur words no longer mean much to me. I only hope it only happens in my case, and not for so many cases u chose to poke yr nose in.

Unless u think u can help me with some info on cattle farming. Not in the realm of this thread, lah

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by free

Man O man, despite repeated request to go read, u never bother and still want to be Mr Know-all.

This ger whom u think has been cheating me, lying to me? well she is the best thing that ever happened to me. U are not the one wanting to marry her, spending time with her. U dun even know her! Why u want to do this? I just cannot understand u.

Anyway, now that I know you get your "Juicy gossip" info from 3rd party and and talked like u know the ger, u know her history, like it was first-hand experience - like all the TGs came thru your hand. At least that was the impression u gave. Sorry, ur words no longer mean much to me. I only hope it only happens in my case, and not for so many cases u chose to poke yr nose in.

*speechless for a moment* WOW!!!!!

Like I said, you never took the advice you gave others leh......

"Man O man, despite repeated request to go read, u never bother" and still is the Mr Don't Know-Anything.

Whose talking about your tirak? I don't need to hear 3rd party information heresay on the girl. I'm talking about YOU!

Which part of all my posts you do not understand? Since when did I ever say this girl is cheating you or lying to you? (I did say you were ignorant though).

Aren't my posting obvious that although she was the best thing that happened to you, the question on my mind and probably on every other samsters too, is are you the best thing that happened to her? Of course you will say yes lah... (God's gift to Thai women mah...)

Must I spell it out word by word, letter by letter, that I was implying all the time that I think YOU were the one withholding the truth from her, or giving half truths to her? That you were the one if you do not change your dream world thinking into reality thinking will cause her to lose out in the long run? That you were the selfish one that subjected her to your "test, trials and tribulations" while she has to take your word as the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you whoever? That you were the one doing things which are damaging to your relationship which she will suffer when the relationship crumbles?

Why should my words mean anything to you at all? but atlas, if only your tirak could hear from me THE REAL TRUTH.... (of course you will do your best to prevent that from happening lah..)

*sign* Next time don't understand, just ask lah.... so that I can be more direct mah..... *sign*

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

some even regard me as an urban legend at my gal's hse. whilst free is the folklore of the present day in his gf's hometown.

Did the people in your gal's house said that?

SC

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

...kekekekeke, if I'm not wrong, it was one after another, and all those are ex WL or sometihng like dat lah... KNN if have a non-WL, don't know where to "insert" the story leh... kekekekekeke...

TV,no doubt i did mention at the beginning that those w woes/treats in the TRCR can come forthe with their issues, in that those w relevant experiences can help enlighten or if not advise on how to deal w issues, or even to lend some moral support to the poor chap.

however, we must acknowledge the fact that when the WL/FL finishes w the 2yr or less stint in this scene, she's back on dry land and is undoubtedly still the loveable TG. perhaps presently, in the eyes of the tirak (though she's confinded in the tanks during operating hrs)...she's nothing less than a TG.

just to tap a little on this...when the WL/FL ORDs she's gotta look fwd to leading a common or if not a more comfortable/meaningful life to lead. not unless she's dedicated her life to spreading her legs (as we see those auntie FLs in the coffeeshops of GL touting for business amongst old men).

there's nevertheless different sets of goals & objectives for different tiraks in the scene, and there's no telling how much he's willing to commit to provide for her, and to share their lives/moments together. so lets not be too critical w other's opinions... perhaps we can learn/reflect upon it and ask ourselves wat/where/how we want our future to be??

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

TV,no doubt i did mention at the beginning that those w woes/treats in the TRCR can come forthe with their issues, in that those w relevant experiences can help enlighten or if not advise on how to deal w issues, or even to lend some moral support to the poor chap.

there's nevertheless different sets of goals & objectives for different tiraks in the scene, and there's no telling how much he's willing to commit to provide for her, and to share their lives/moments together.

I have no problems whatsoever if a guy's in love with an WL/FL, ex or no ex. I never had any problems with TGs who are WLs or FLs or whatever people may wish to call them. I have many friends who are still in this trade. I know of many who were in this trade and now live happy lives.

I encouraged people who are involved in a relationship with a TG, whether there are ex-WL or not, doesn't matter. But I like to see happy endings, especially so for the TG as I don't really bother much about the guy as it's easier for a guy to pick up the broken pieces and move on in life.

So if I see a guy doing things which I feel is not right for his relationship, I try to get the guy to change. Things that he has done that although may not be directly related to his relationship, but affects his character, will one day affect his relationship. If the relationship crumbles, the girl suffers.

But some people are too blinded by their dream-like world, thinking that whatever they are doing, is right for their relationship. They feel that they are perfect, and even when we're referring or implying to them, they still think that we are talking about their tiraks bad points. That's the extend of their dreams!

Maybe i should highlight the things that I felt should not have been done, or the things that should be done so that all other readers can learn from it? But then, it may embarrassed the affected persons from whom I post the experiences. Moreover, from every action, I always analyse "other" matters, which may or may not be right.

Take for example, from my analysis of one particular incident of bro Free, my analysis is that he's not that really close to his parents or brothers and sisters eventhough he may have said what the mother thinks of his TG, how his brothers and sisters will adore his tirak, etc. From my analysis, I would also say that bro Free doesn't really have close friends so to speak eventhough he may have said that he only share certain information with his close friends.

My analysis could be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong. If I'm wrong, good for his tirak, good for bro Free, good for their relationship and good for fellow bros trying to learn something from here. But if I'm right? No problem for bro Free as he can always find another girl, bad for his tirak, and bad for all the fellow bros who were trying to learn something from here.

Some may ask what does his relationship with his family or whether he has close friends or not has to do with this thread? Or has anything to do with tirak relationship?

Well, directly, it does not. But it does affect a person's character when he tried to give false impressions in this thread. What kind of impression would he be giving to the TG? and her family?

Question is, is my analysis wrong? or right?

thaivisitor

[free]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

I encouraged people who are involved in a relationship with a TG, whether there are ex-WL or not, doesn't matter. But I like to see happy endings, especially so for the TG as I don't really bother much about the guy as it's easier for a guy to pick up the broken pieces and move on in life.
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Take for example, from my analysis of one particular incident of bro Free, my analysis is that he's not that really close to his parents or brothers and sisters eventhough he may have said what the mother thinks of his TG, how his brothers and sisters will adore his tirak, etc. From my analysis, I would also say that bro Free doesn't really have close friends so to speak eventhough he may have said that he only share certain information with his close friends.

My analysis could be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong. If I'm wrong, good for his tirak, good for bro Free, good for their relationship and good for fellow bros trying to learn something from here. But if I'm right? No problem for bro Free as he can always find another girl, bad for his tirak, and bad for all the fellow bros who were trying to learn something from here.

Some may ask what does his relationship with his family or whether he has close friends or not has to do with this thread? Or has anything to do with tirak relationship?

Well, directly, it does not. But it does affect a person's character when he tried to give false impressions in this thread. What kind of impression would he be giving to the TG? and her family?

Question is, is my analysis wrong? or right?

thaivisitor

Haha, u have not sat with me for more than even 1 hour all these months on a 1-to-1 basis and u can be an expert on me? Hahaha. No point having hundreds of acquitances when in times of need they are gone. A few good friend who stick thru thick and thin is all I need, even as they can count on me in there times of need.

BTW, I live with my mum now, shifted back from staying on my own partly cos she is older and like my company. My closeness (other rather lack of it) with my siblings? Yeah u were right if you refer to 2 years ago or more. Guess what was the reason for this drift? The Ex. I realised that the moment I stop trying to please someone who dun know contentment.Ever read the "Gers are still Gers" thread? How true it was for me...

Today is a different story. That is how I know I have my siblings support about my tirak. I hear their support from the "horses mouths", not from some 3rd party hearsay, hor. Sigh, not only are u not in my shoes, u dun even know me, let alone my family. So much for ur analytical powers. So u can do better than ppl professionally trained in Psychology? Well... Anyway, thanks for your concern for my tirak. Talking to her again last night, laying down our plans for our future together, make me just wanna laugh ...... at u and your "analysis".

For u, with yr seemingly unemotional approach to relationships (hopefully un dun see the lady only as a bonking object - just f**k & forget), of course u will have no idea of how much emotionally involved a guy can be and how much he can give of himself to the woman, even as she gives to him. Why you'd even eat your own petsw/o any qualms , as u yourself have so indicated. So u see a love r/s as man takes from woman, man had enough, man say goodbye, just so simple? Hmm makes me wonder whether u have been involved in a real love r/s. You yrself know that the foreigner should be aware that properties bought and such will be in the woman's name and if anything goes wrong he can end up with nothing! Already she has a piece of land in her name, and in all probability more of such will happen as per our plan. So she will the one who loses while I gain, as I just need to say "Next"? Who is the one uprooting? Me! So one day, I'm called a fool, for buying land under her name, next moment that same plot of land is going to make her suffer? Why? the wind has changed direction? Comeon for once, get ur brains to think in a straight line.

Problem is u poke ur nose into so many areas that u mixed up ABC with XYZ, Of course u are not to be blamed, for u are only trying to help/teach. Really? .

My analysis could be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong. If I'm wrong, good for his tirak, good for bro Free, good for their relationship and good for fellow bros trying to learn something from here. But if I'm right? No problem for bro Free as he can always find another girl, bad for his tirak, and bad for all the fellow bros who were trying to learn something from here.

very neat qualifying statement, dun u think? After all the shit and twist and turns u made, putting words I have never said into my mouth? U call yrself a responsible person? If you re one, u will not depend entirely on what I posted to make ur analysis. cos u know no one can ever write everything down, even if he writes a lot. No, u will make time for me, sit down with and go thru with me, explain to me and help see if I was blind. Face it, you are simply doing all this for ur own fun, irrregardless.

How can u be wrong? Aren;t u always right? Of course u cannot be wrong for in SBF you seem to act like God impersonate, ever omnipotent and omnipresent. Maybe u really think u are. Please, dun need to analyze taht much about others. Lay out ur own life-experiences for others to see and learn from. Share ur mistakes, ur pains and how u overcome them. of course share ur joys too. All these had been a well kept secret, who u go shooting from the hips at others. That will be the useful thing to do.

I will not argue with u anymore. Cos u have alreay formed u conclusions even before u met me (and less than 1 hr at that). As I say, ur works dun carry weight with me anymore. I'd rather complete my walk and be the best sammi I can for my Panraya. So, please enjoy yourself. Soon u will be able to find yet another target. Wish that guy luck.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by free

Haha, u have not sat with me for more than even 1 hour on a 1-to-1 basis and u can be an expert on me? Hahaha. No point having hundreds of acquitances when in times of need they are gone. A few good friend who stick thru thick and thin is all I need, even as they can count on me in there times of need.

I don't have to sit with someone for countless of hours to know whether a person is doing right or wrong, (so to speak as what he is doing it is not a crime). I don't need to be an expert on him too. Incidents, and what the person does, creates impressions on what the person is.

When you read of the court sentencing a man for raping little girls, do you say we do not understand him as he loves his own daughters very much? Or do you say serves him right, infact deserve much more?

Let's just take one incident of yours? The incident whereby you went up to see the family of your tirak.

It's OK when you waited for your advance pay to whatever and use the money to go up north. But you posted the lack of funds and eventually borrowed from 2 friends to go up. What impression does it gives. Let me tshow you how I analyse.

You don't even have enough savings to go up but you still wanted to go. Any reasonable person would wait until they have enough money before travelling. So I analyse 2 things. First, is that presently, you are not financial stable. Not that you will never be, but at the present situation. And second, you do not know priority as such took the first step into debts into your relationship. Is that a good move? To you maybe.

Let's say that was a life and death situation and you had to go. Funny you didn't seek help from your family, but instead from friends. We're talking about your future. Seeing the one you're going to spend the rest of your life with. Isn't that important enough for your family to help you out? Not that the amount is that big. If what you posted is so true that how your brother and sister will dote on her lah.. how your mother will act towards her lah... etc, etc... It just doesn't seemed right that you do not seek assistance from them. Don't tell me now that you don't want to trouble them hor? Cos, the reason of not troubling your family but instead your friends on something so important that you have to go despite not having suffcient cash, generally doesn't go well. Or is it that your family would have advised you to go only when you have enough that's why you didn't ask them? So you projected to your family that you are financially OK with borrowed money?

So I analyse that you are not that close to your family as what you project to be. All the talks of how your brother will treat her, how your sis will love her, how your mum reacted when she heard your tirak scolded you when you quarrel with your mum.... cheezzzz spare us!

A few friends who stick thru thick and thin is all you need, but you don't have. And how did I analyse that you don't really have close friends? Simple, close friends would have help you financially. You would have seeked their assistance should you be short. But that was not the case. You asked to borrow from samsters whom you have only met!!!! Yes, one samster called me up to tell me that you wanted to borrow from him as you don't have enough to go up north. You want me to bring out the samster to see if I'm lying or telling the truth? For all we know, the two who had loan you are also samsters who might have pitied you. So where were your close friends who stick thru thick and thin that you have to borrow from people you have just met? Why? The situation is neither think nor thin, izit?

For anyone who does not analyse your actions, what impression they have on your posts?

Waaaa bro Free is such a loving guy, so serious that by hook or by crook he went up to the north to see her and her family.

Waaaa bro Free is such a romantic guy that he brought his tirak and her family out on outings, post pics somemore.

And does the girl knows about all this? Did you tell her that you don't have enough savings to visit her for that trip? Did you tell her that you had to borrow from friends, even try to borrow from people whom you have just met? Did you tell her that the visits to what places are on borrowed money which you will have to pay back (if you do intend to pay back)? Of course you will say yes lah... But I don't think so... cos if you did, her balls (if she had any) would have shrunk knowing that her future husband does not do things sensibly. Different if a person tells his tirak that that he will need to postpone his trip until he has enough, which I'm sure if she loves him, she'll understand. Let's not talk about ethics here.

Anyway, come to think of that.. I really don't know about her course which you paid for? Real or not?

Do you want me to post other incidents on how I analyse things?

Oh, by the way, do take some time to try to think of how to give a convincing reply, else your credentials may be affected by those who looked up to you in the past.

No, I'm not God... No I don't need to sit with someone for hours to know him well.... but yes, as a reasonbly intelligent person, I do know how to analyse.

Whether you believe it or not, I do blame myself as a friend for finding out too late. Had I read your posts earlier, I would have advise you to postpone the trip and explained to you why. I had tried to call you out on a one on one but you don't answer my calls. But atlas, who is to say you may even tell me off then to mind my own fucking business, and since when you considered me as a frined whom you can listen to, right?

Having said that, just to let you know, it doesn't please me one bit to have this post out.

thaivisitor