woes of a tirak

[free]

Originally Posted by singrakthai

*sigh* Uncle free ah Uncle free... ok ok.. my fault.. I should say Average Pay for Engineers is 12,000... aiyo.. u very ge yen... ppl like TV and me working here, staying here now say this, u don't agree still wanna argue. Just for ur info, acc fresh U grads also getting range from 8k - 15k lah... see? The gap so huge, thats why i say AVERAGE lah... *sigh* u probably will bring out "ur friends" for examples again... ok ok u wanna show the world u know alot about Thailand and u got alot of Thai friends and u can speak, read and write Thai very well.. up to u lah.. no need write so long essays... phoot throng throng dai mai krup? No need use colorful english.

Also, my offer for the position still stands lah... ur friend no car but can speak english also can try lah. Eh.. no need SUPER good english ok? aiyo, but no need tell me "sorry my friends are simple people, english no good" or stuffs like that ok? Interested, u PM me lah..

See lah.. u make me side track for this thread already lah! Lets talk about woes of so-called "tiraks" lah.... or u open another thread somewhere titled "woes of Khon Thai" and i'll go join u there lah...

cheers

Those you hire perhaps belong to the elite group while those I know are probably nearer the bottom of the chain. Don't forget, being the employer, u get to specify the pre-requisites/conditions while setting the high pay you are prepared to give. I am sure yr experience tells you there were a lot of applicants. So the poor person from a much lesser known Uni (if you even know its name) hasn't got much of a choice/chance, does he/her?

Anyway. you have completely missed my larger objective. While we disagree on the numerical values of graduates' pay, the larger objective was really about those who are uneducated and can hardly get a job that pays above a reasonable subsistence level to feed themselves. How do they fare in the job market, versus the grads, many of whom had to settle for far less than ideal jobs? And what if they have a family back home that are in the same plight?

Ultimately for me, when I see something that like that troubles me, I get to the ground and asked the person concerned, so that I may understand. IN my cheonging days, my typical conversation with the gals (from whatever lands) the 1st time we met usually revolves around why they chose to do this, how they see themselves, how they think others see them, what they hope to achieve and how they see their future. Many shed tears (some even controllably) as they dig within themselves for the answers. Many a time, I forgo my bonks that 1st time as it was spend just being a shoulder for that person to cry on. Foolish? maybe. KC/Actress? Perhaps. But I believe within that person who chose that line is a broken heart that was buried deep in order for that one to survive the ordeal. Maybe there are exceptions, but in my limited experience, I haven't met them as yet.

Guess others may prefer to observe from far, within the boundaries of their comfort zone and they think they know. I am still learning as I haven't stopped asking those directly involved with whatever I dun understand and therefore, I ask.

[singrakthai]

Originally Posted by hoodlum

1. no using of abusive language or unnessary name calling, 'numbskull' for instance by the treadstarter on Singrathai
hoodlum

WOW! U don't say i also don't wanna mention! Luckily i don't know the meaning of "numbskull" and.. i don't know if its insulting or not.. haha so offense taken here! I also have no intention to go check up dictionary lah. haha

But i think i and Mr Suteerak on different frequency.. i think i refrain from responding to him better.

Trying to steer back to threat again, woes of "tirak".. my girl in thailand call me "ii sat" which means animal... to me its ok... cos animal, animal lor.. but when I call her "ii sat" back, she beat me up... why?!!! Very unfair.. haha

cheers

[singrakthai]

Originally Posted by free

Those you hire perhaps belong to the elite group while those I know are probably nearer the bottom of the chain. Don't forget, being the employer, u get to specify the pre-requisites/conditions while setting the high pay you are prepared to give. I am sure yr experience tells you there were a lot of applicants. So the poor person from a much lesser known Uni (if you even know its name) hasn't got much of a choice/chance, does he/her?

Like I say.. i think all these fall under category of "woes of Khon Thai".. or "woes of poor Thai".. or "woes of poor WL/FL".. or u prefer to be long winded, "lets all sympathized poor Thai ladies working in geylang, and survey what is the reasons they wanna become a whore".. u start the new thread, and i go follow u there lah! I also got alot of whores woes stories i wana contribute leh!
cheers

[hoodlum]

Originally Posted by singrakthai

...
Trying to steer back to threat again, woes of "tirak".. my girl in thailand call me "ii sat" which means animal... to me its ok... cos animal, animal lor.. but when I call her "ii sat" back, she beat me up... why?!!! Very unfair.. haha

cheers

bru ... Deviate from the thread a bit... your girl coined that cos

1. nickname or
2. your 'animalistic' behavior on bed?

down boy, down
hoodlum

Originally Posted by zunbo

Wah.... now all the essay are getting longer and longer........

if suteerak1099 go to the LDTR thread and join forces with free, i think the thread will put people with insomnia to sleep without having to use sleeping pills.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

seeing things in a broader perspective dont neceessarily mean i'm performing balancing act on tight rope, nor am i walking through mine-fields. i admit there's only so little that i can do to give my tirak better times, not extravagance bt definately not anything remotely near the earlier stages in life. her appreciation is already sufficient to spell CONTENT within me.

Since this thread is on woes of a tirak, then we talk about woes of tirak.

So what are the woes actually?

1.Not enough finances?
(For those with big banks and deep wallets, this isn't an issue.The issue for them is does she love me?)

2.Does she love me or my money?
(Money will already be in this picture by now and sometimes keep wondering whether she is going out with me or because I can afford to bring her go out.)

3. Does she have many tiraks besides me?
(Of course lah. But when you ask her, what are these tiraks, she will forever say they are my customers. You are the one I like. Can we simply say she says the same things to other customers too? )

3a. How to track whether she is lying about her tiraks?
(Best way is through her phone bills and the calls she make. The duration, call times etc)

3b. How to track her physically?
(Ever wonder when she call you that she is with her friends from house outside but actually with another person? There is a singapore company that does this via handphone tracking system. More for nanny watching, but they can do it for you at a price)

4. When she ROD, will she be with me or be with other guys?
(This question, every tirak is always hoping its them, its them)

5. If she choses me as the ultimate tirak, will we be able to live happily ever after?
(The finances is main reason why they are in the trade and as to whether living happily ever after also due to how much money you have to earn to fill up their hole. The amount of money needed to fill up the pussy hole so that she will never need to open it for others to enter. Not to sound crude, but it makes me wonder how much money a pussy can contain.)

Don't say I never teach. The WLs are a smart breed of humans, because they know how to use their best assets to make money for them. So in order not to become a woeful tirak, best is beat them at their own game.
Trust

How much is Trust worth? Anyone can write long essays, write ups, postings etc in forums or anywhere, but ACTION speaks louder than words.

You can say your tirak is the only one truthful to you, but the truth is she is doing something behind your back and you don't even know. Unless you have satelite eyes.

SC

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by hoodlum

Agree and that's why I mentioned in my earlier post that there has to be a context for discussion/debate. And not only that, there are some points that both sides need to agree to.

1. no using of abusive language or unnessary name calling, 'numbskull' for instance by the treadstarter on Singrathai

2. Don't generalised lah;
'idiots by the Singapore education...', 'lumping service jobs as no different from WL', 'all womanfolks are whores' and more

Especially for point 2, the treadstarter has a tendency of deviating and making porous sweeping generalisations that often don't add value to his tread objectives but further alienate readers/posters from such baseless swipes.


Let's have a healthy exchange of perspectives
hoodlum

excuse me hoodlum, incase u didnt get teh facts right.. it 1st started w others' opinions that all WL/FLs arent gd gals. notice the term THEY. well, since ppl here prefer to discuss things on a more generalised basis then so be it. besides, every tirakship is an isolated case n those details n all the things ongoing in the room wont be made known to the rest of the world.

therefore, even if things we more generalised, its done w the interest of the tiraks privacy/dignity in mind. just as some say i'm capsizing the boat of ppl using a bamboo pole...but i beg to differ, cos the boat was already capsized b4 i even came along (when some here made assumptions that whores r whores n they deserve their pathetic jobs)

this thread is a lil unique and according to those with less patience to read... call it long-winded if u prefer. my suggestion if 1 attempts to reply, is 1st back track a little to understand the discussions here. dun go reading the preface and the last post, and assume u know wats been written.

but your concerns about the thread's progress is very much appreciated. korb kun mak krup~!

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

excuse me hoodlum, incase u didnt get teh facts right.. it 1st started w others' opinions that all WL/FLs arent gd gals. notice the term THEY. well, since ppl here prefer to discuss things on a more generalised basis then so be it. besides, every tirakship is an isolated case n those details n all the things ongoing in the room wont be made known to the rest of the world.

Actually it all started when others assume we meant all WLs/FLs, when in fact, we didn't. We didn't assume. Just that others assumed that we assume all WLs/FLs aren't gd gals.

They aren't devils, but neither are they angels

SC

A song dedication again

Angel Of The Morning
by Merrilee Rush
album:
ANGEL OF THE MORNING
Merrilee Rush & The Turnabouts
Words And Music by Chip Taylor

There'll be no strings to bind your hands,
Not if my love can't bind your heart.
And there's no need to take a stand,
For it was I who chose to start.
I see no reason to take me home,
I'm old enough to face the dawn.

Just call me angel of the morning, Angel
Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby.
Just call me angel of the morning, Angel
Then slowly turn away... from me.

Maybe the sun's light will be dim
And it won't matter anyhow.
If morning's echo says we've sinned,
Well, it was what I wanted now.
And if we're the victims of the night,
I won't be blinded by light.

Just call me angel of the morning, Angel
Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby.
Just call me angel of the morning, Angel
Then slowly turn away...
I won't beg you to stay... with me...
Through the tears... of the day....
Of the years... baby, baby --

Just call me angel of the morning, Angel
Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby.
Just call me angel of the morning, Angel
Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby....

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by sex_maniac2

if suteerak1099 go to the LDTR thread and join forces with free, i think the thread will put people with insomnia to sleep without having to use sleeping pills.

that would be nice, bt the priority is to solve the problem for shallow ppl who post only 1-liners. i dun give a hoot if u're SM, SM2, SM3...or whichever clone (CLOWN i'd prefer)... u've lost ur credibility n have no issue about the tirakship issues.

do yourself & the rest of us the favor, by vanishing... if none of what is written here concerns u.. then dont come making it ur concern. no need for pests like u to come round bugging us. thanx

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

that would be nice, bt the priority is to solve the problem for shallow ppl who post only 1-liners. i dun give a hoot if u're SM, SM2, SM3...or whichever clone (CLOWN i'd prefer)... u've lost ur credibility n have no issue about the tirakship issues.

do yourself & the rest of us the favor, by vanishing... if none of what is written here concerns u.. then dont come making it ur concern. no need for pests like u to come round bugging us. thanx

If you actually do read carefully,

SM2 is diff from the clones. You ever hear the saying, Borrow Knife and Kill Others?

If your reaction to SM2's post is like this, don't you see yourself turning into like SM or SM2 or whatever you think he is before?

When someone changed, he himself don't realise. Only bystanders can see the whole picture clearer.

1 more woes of a tirak

Is when he realises that there are a majority of the forum people who don't stand on the same side as him

SC

[suteerak1099]

dunno wat took u so long to come up with this list. well...its without a doubt that these issues will take place.

Originally Posted by siamcutey

...So what are the woes actually?

1.Not enough finances?
(For those with big banks and deep wallets, this isn't an issue.The issue for them is does she love me?)

2.Does she love me or my money?
(Money will already be in this picture by now and sometimes keep wondering whether she is going out with me or because I can afford to bring her go out.)

3. Does she have many tiraks besides me?
(Of course lah. But when you ask her, what are these tiraks, she will forever say they are my customers. You are the one I like. Can we simply say she says the same things to other customers too? )

well done, written like a true customer. who wouldnt know that her priority here is to look for money? its very clear, but in the course of doing so, if there was someone who's shown her the sincerity n presented the prospect of a better future...nothing's stopping them to be together after ORD. sad fucks need some TLC, so she give TLC, of cos all the fellas in the calling list can be called tiraks, bt at the end of the day.. there can only be 1. those that only exchange brief i love u, u love me conversation or better still self to self conversations.. is quite obvious that theres not even the slightest glimpse of hope.

Originally Posted by siamcutey

3a. How to track whether she is lying about her tiraks?
(Best way is through her phone bills and the calls she make. The duration, call times etc)

3b. How to track her physically?
(Ever wonder when she call you that she is with her friends from house outside but actually with another person? There is a singapore company that does this via handphone tracking system. More for nanny watching, but they can do it for you at a price)

track all u want, pay all u want, hire a private eye to tail her, monitor her actions all u want. she's in this line n she's gotta give Gf feeling if she really has to...if really cant stand knowing she's going out w another man, my suggestion is to bail her outta the job, lock her up in ur bird cage at home.

Originally Posted by siamcutey

4. When she ROD, will she be with me or be with other guys? (This question, every tirak is always hoping its them, its them)

5. If she choses me as the ultimate tirak, will we be able to live happily ever after? (The finances is main reason why they are in the trade and as to whether living happily ever after also due to how much money you have to earn to fill up their hole. The amount of money needed to fill up the pussy hole so that she will never need to open it for others to enter. Not to sound crude, but it makes me wonder how much money a pussy can contain.)

no use hoping like a fool, no pain no gain.. i'f there's no action nor signs to leave the impression in her, wat reason does she have to make the fella the ultimate? which brings about y i mentioned the fish pond/unconditional loving. if really love her enough then show her u're for real n u're gonna bring in the dough.. otherwise.. dun even call 1self tirak lah -not qualified to even use the term 'tirak'

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Don't say I never teach. The WLs are a smart breed of humans, because they know how to use their best assets to make money for them. So in order not to become a woeful tirak, best is beat them at their own game. Trust

How much is Trust worth? Anyone can write long essays, write ups, postings etc in forums or anywhere, but ACTION speaks louder than words.

You can say your tirak is the only one truthful to you, but the truth is she is doing something behind your back and you don't even know. Unless you have satelite eyes.

SC

beat them at their own game.. u havent revealed the answer...if its by butterflying around then, i think the joke is on u my fren. she get paid for bonk, u gotta pay for bonk. she's 1 vs many.. u're 1 vs many too. bt ends up she gets richer w every bonk, while u're getting poorer at every bonk. 2 wrongs dont make 1 right. so if 1 chooses to be tirak of a WL, then the bonking issue should be invisible.. n thats wat i call Trust

there's a difference between yaek and tam ruam-rak... if cant sort out the differences.. then no choice.. cos sex to u is nothing more than just a pussy hole.

[hoodlum]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

excuse me hoodlum, incase u didnt get teh facts right.. it 1st started w others' opinions that all WL/FLs arent gd gals. notice the term THEY. well, since ppl here prefer to discuss things on a more generalised basis then so be it. besides, every tirakship is an isolated case n those details n all the things ongoing in the room wont be made known to the rest of the world.

therefore, even if things we more generalised, its done w the interest of the tiraks privacy/dignity in mind. just as some say i'm capsizing the boat of ppl using a bamboo pole...but i beg to differ, cos the boat was already capsized b4 i even came along (when some here made assumptions that whores r whores n they deserve their pathetic jobs)

this thread is a lil unique and according to those with less patience to read... call it long-winded if u prefer. my suggestion if 1 attempts to reply, is 1st back track a little to understand the discussions here. dun go reading the preface and the last post, and assume u know wats been written.

but your concerns about the thread's progress is very much appreciated. korb kun mak krup~!

Suteerak

believe me, all that's written is not thesis stuff and quite easily digestible. And a lot of regurgitation, repetitive views and counter views and all because there's no context/scope. But one thing very conspicuous is that while we could accept your perspectives, though not necessarily agreeing on them, you have not shown you could do likewise to accept counter views.

There's no point belabouring a point. For instance, a whore is a whore. That's a fact, not an assumption. Whether she deserves it is another issue altogether.

Another point... let's not word around basic established norms. An analogy. A basic tenet in morality on the social context is that it is morally wrong to engage in commercial sex. I engaged in it and I have to accept that it is morally wrong. There's no point in justifying why I went for commercial sex etc. It is still morally wrong.

hoodlum

[singrakthai]

Originally Posted by hoodlum

bru ... Deviate from the thread a bit... your girl coined that cos
1. nickname or
2. your 'animalistic' behavior on bed?

jus a joke.. hehe my point is sometimes language is a problem.. many times because of the lack of understanding in their language and culture, we get alot of misunderstandings... thus leads to quarrels.. thus leads to "no happenings for the night".

[singrakthai]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Actually it all started when others assume we meant all WLs/FLs, when in fact, we didn't. We didn't assume. Just that others assumed that we assume all WLs/FLs aren't gd gals.
They aren't devils, but neither are they angels

hi SC! I didn't assume, that u assume that we assume that u assume that WL/FLs aren't gd gals... eh... or... i should say i didn't assume that we assume that u assume that we assume that... eh... or.... geez.. i wanna smoke u but i myself got confused already.. haha .. guess i'm not good at smoking ppl.. hehe
but i agree with ur second statement totally.. they're not devils but neither are they angels, so don't give funny reasons like what they're here to lower crimes rates lah, what wanna save the whole world lah...
Initially I think this thread is for s'porean guys who become "tirak" with local WL/FL and then got woes to share... true enough i think the earlier posts are people in this category.. but then dunno why suddenly Mr Suteerak linked normal TG with WL/FL.. then also compare WL/FL with other jobs... for 1, relationship with TG and relationship with WL/FL is totally different ok? 2, no body likes to be compared with a whore. U ask the Thai people lor.... u tell a WL/FL, oh i think ur job no different than a lawyer or doctor, they maybe laugh and think u crazy. Then U tell a Thai lawyer or doctor, oh, i thnk u job no different than a WL/FL...... duh
just my opinions.
peace

[singrakthai]

Originally Posted by free

IN my cheonging days, my typical conversation with the gals (from whatever lands) the 1st time we met usually revolves around why they chose to do this, how they see themselves, how they think others see them, what they hope to achieve and how they see their future. Many shed tears (some even controllably) as they dig within themselves for the answers. Many a time, I forgo my bonks that 1st time as it was spend just being a shoulder for that person to cry on. Foolish?

Uncle free. Seriously huh.... I really respect u for ur commitment in learning the phasa thai. I think most Thai will appreciate ur efforts too... but i still think u very ge yen.. hehe.. can i ask u these questions.. u just answer directly lah.. point forms easier for me to catch ok?

1) U "interview" the WL/FL... but u go to the WH with the intention to f the lady or "get to know" the lady?
2) after lending ur shoulder to cry on, did u RTF?
3) Did u ever tell ur so-call NORMAL Thai friends about ur adventures in geylang?
4) If u did, whats their reaction and opionions of u after?

gentlemen and hyprocrite very thin line apart leh...