woes of a tirak

[singrakthai]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Cut off my joo? Not a chance, because I know how to climb out n not persist on a relationship that makes me mai sabai jai.
Yuu Khun Diaw gor Sabai Mak Na.
SC

I think u got a Siam fighting cock rather than a Siam fight fish leh.. haha kup pom, thaa mee faen mueng khon nee, khit waa yoo khon diaw dee kwaa..

[singrakthai]

Originally Posted by OceanEleven

Like kindess begets kindness, you jao chu and she take the course of action only. The difference here is does your actions justfied for such severe consequences?

ya man... but seriously, this is VERY common here.. jing jing na. Alot of these cases reported on newspapers here... newspapers here like to show photos somemore! So i guess when other women read about this kinda news, they kinda picked up the idea....

[free]

Originally Posted by OceanEleven

There is a start to everything, like the WLs, they are not born a WL, likewise, tens years down the road, they might not be continue to be WL, so I guess even discussion on a general TGs is acceptable here. Matter of fact, it does give us a better understanding of the difference of a normal TGs, current WLs and ex WLS. As all agreed, we are here to share our woes and things that went thru our journey with a TG, hence in any aspect but pertaining to the TGs shall be deem reasonable and not a disrespect or digress to the TGs tirakship issues.

I checked back to Bro Suteerak's 1st post and realised that unlike Bro Unforgiven's purpose, he did not lay any restrictions at that 1st post. I believe at that moment, he might not even have any idea where his new r/s was going to head, except that he has a methodology that is not commonly used and will require a lot out of him, and he still committed himself to pay the price.

Up till today, he is still doing that, and if what he sees and therefore believe is true, there has been progress - his hard work has borne some fruits and therefore his postings shows. As the r/s expands & deepens, so must his understanding of his gal and therefore it will color his world view. It's only natural isn't it?

Even though I've left the CAT40 scene fior a while now, I know enough of them in the past (and some LCs ORDing soon) to be sure that the majority of the WLs do think about their future, and do hope that someday they will find a Mr Right for themselves (and they want to be his Miss Right) and spend their remaining days with, once they can put this "less honorable" period of their lives behind. Blessed is she who finds her good man, and blessed is that Right Man whom she will truly appreciates and love. As long as they can work thru the whole gamut of problems that accompany r/s between 2 of different countries/cultures (plus of course her WL and his Cheonging past), both will be winners in their own right and may I add, their families as well.

I know a couple of these "appreciate" ex-WLs/FLs in their thirties now, whether lliving here or in LOS and seeing their happy families gives me a lot of joy.

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by hoodlum

...There are lots of silly asses around. You can't eliminate them all like Halo2. IMO, there should not be any tirakship in the 1st instance if they know the basics of commercial sex and what it entails.
Rule #1 : Transaction only
Rule #2 : Transaction only ... you get the drift

An analogy. If I say drugs is harmful. Most will listen without venturing into the trial for confirmation. As for tirakship, it still boggles me. I'm not against WL... in a way I sympathise with their plights. But to foster a long-term relationship which may/may not lead to happiness and bliss, that's a different ball game altogether...

well, tirakship n rship aint no big diff if u put it that way, cos love n bliss is something that takes time n effort to build up, strengthen, maintained so as to bear fruits of joy. no doubt transaction is transaction.. there's no reason y there's no possibilities for tirakship to evolve as well. they're human too, n have every right to invest feelings when the guy with prospects come along.

the only thing that bothers me is that alota ppl claim they in tirakship when in fact its just a self painted mirage, walk into the picture.. picture tear.. then kpkb flame the WL. it was true.. then there's no reason y 1 can feel the pain when being pinched.

at the end of the day,its all up to the individuals la...the WLs too can get hurt at times. n i've seen some who've broken down in tears too.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by free

I checked back to Bro Suteerak's 1st post and realised that unlike Bro Unforgiven's purpose, he did not lay any restrictions at that 1st post. I believe at that moment, he might not even have any idea where his new r/s was going to head, except that he has a methodology that is not commonly used and will require a lot out of him, and he still committed himself to pay the price.

Up till today, he is still doing that, and if what he sees and therefore believe is true, there has been progress - his hard work has borne some fruits and therefore his postings shows. As the r/s expands & deepens, so must his understanding of his gal and therefore it will color his world view. It's only natural isn't it?

In my views,
it may be right, it may be wrong. But from 2 months ago this thread started and 2 months now, from what I read, suteerak is using the wrong approach. Wrong approach not saying that he is doing the wrong things. Just that from his postings, can feel that his mind/decisions are already swaying more to the WL's side rather than being on neutral ground. This is the time when it is most dangerous.

Cross referencing WLs with normal TGs is something which I don't like, because the mentalities in life is different between these 2 groups. Yes they are girls and humans too but their mentality is really different.

These problems all happen when one sells their body for money. Their mindset, goals in life have all changed. Not saying they have become bad, but changing them is really not easy. To give some hope to the optimists, changing them is not impossible.

SC

[hardcore_bonkie]

at the end of the day,its all up to the individuals la...the WLs too can get hurt at times. n i've seen some who've broken down in tears too.[/QUOTE]

Ya bro i agreed with you...WL r also human beings .. y some ppl dun get it... I mean if ppl look down on WL then wat abt thinking of themselves letting their clients and bosses to f them up .. To earn a living we gona learn it maybe through hardway for some might be easy... Pls dun just look things at an angle....

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by singrakthai

dude, i think u're trying too hard to defend the WLs. I don't really know ur full agenda and ur WHOLE story (cos ur too long winded.. sorry).. but ur perspective of WL/FL are same as flight attendants, customer service offciers, models, blah blah blah are total bull.... then why don't those in the NORMAL lines choose to become WL/FL instead? Easy job wat, just lay there open legs.. big money... please lah u're insulting the other professions. I'm doing sales, that means i'm not better than a whore too? I might as well go sell my backside? But truth is, i have my interigty and i'm not willing to let any tom dick harry have a go at my ass....
please don't link normal Thai lady with a Thai WL/FL.... try this here in Thailand and see whats the reaction u get.
Relationship with a Thai WL and a NORMAL Thai lady is total different ball game! Don't confuse!

bro, dont think too highly of 1self la. honestly, i see all of us as equals.. all of us r no different from a whore if u put it that way. in our daily course of events in our jobs, regardless of happy or not its only for the $ n for the sake of survival. though we dun physically spread legs n let others mount us, we inevitably still get the fucked feelings when we kena stab from behind, kena play out by bastards.. in fact in some cases might go as bad as kena fuck n never get paid (thats how some company wind up for that matter)

just cos alot of us nt cabin crew dun mean we're ignorant of wats happening, cos i know there's many cabin crew that literally FL when outstationed. n no i'm nt condemning all in this line.. cos i put it to u clearly.. everyone, regardless of qualifications/career/occupation.. we're no different from a whore. n for the record, prostituition is the oldest trade since the begining of civilization...

n thats how it seems that i'm protecting the WL/FL, bt more importantly.. we''re all equal. noone made us any higher or lower then them. if there weren't sad fucks around..no demand for it.. then how can the flesh trade survive? wat goes around comes around.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

take away the number tags, take away the OKTs, they're no different from service orientated flight attendants, customer service officers, models on the runway, artistes in the performing industry etc. the only unfortunate thing is that their in the flesh trade n the customer satisfactions become their jobscope. there's no OT rate, no annual incentives, no performance bonus, no long service award either.... on a gd day, they'd probably get some big tippers, sponsored meals from tirak, few love gifts from aspiring tiraks etc. the rest of the time, its pretty much regimental rules, n all they ever get is being confined in the hse, despite having the time of the month. in return, they get rated, some over rated or underated, then there's a long chain of readers queueing to try.. then disappointed ones will come n post more slams n flames, which affects the gal's biz.

n is no less just a sad fuck doing a FR on his actions w the gal.

The truth is they have number tags. The other truth is they have OKTs. This is a fact and truth we cannot deny. Yes, they may look chum, but that is the price they have to pay for the income they getting. Look at those 3 rd world countries, I think they desrve our sympathies more.

Not trying to sound crude but do these tiraks show the same amount of sympathy to the kids in 3rd world disaster areas?

And 1 last thing, it ain't shameful to be a sad fuck. Because it takes a sad fuck to know the rest of the sad fucks. What's shameful?

Shameful thing is the sad fuck upon knowing the truth still do not want to climb out of the pit which he has dug for himself and continuing to dig deeper.

SC

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

In my views,
it may be right, it may be wrong. But from 2 months ago this thread started and 2 months now, from what I read, suteerak is using the wrong approach. Wrong approach not saying that he is doing the wrong things. Just that from his postings, can feel that his mind/decisions are already swaying more to the WL's side rather than being on neutral ground. This is the time when it is most dangerous.

Cross referencing WLs with normal TGs is something which I don't like, because the mentalities in life is different between these 2 groups. Yes they are girls and humans too but their mentality is really different.

These problems all happen when one sells their body for money. Their mindset, goals in life have all changed. Not saying they have become bad, but changing them is really not easy. To give some hope to the optimists, changing them is not impossible.

SC

SC, many thanx for ur concerns. i dont deny that 'my posts tend to defend the TG/WL/FL more, bt only bcos there's too much negative spread for them.
n yes i'm aware that there're WLs who'd never retire from the scene.. they ORD here.. n start new contract somewhere else, cos they have no better solution, they never found any1 who can give her a brighter future n that she can return to dry land.

it all boils down to the gal, n crucial that she knows when to say 'stop'... "enough is enough". if she's never contented.. then she can sell flesh till they get wrinkled n scarred, reconstruct the pussy over n over again etc...she'd never find fulfillment in life.

i on the other hand, despite my own sets of woes n headaches, sincerely wanna give my gal a taste of heaven, the feeling of walking on dry soil again. dun have a fool proof plan as yet.. bt it can all be sorted out.. so long as she's willing to include me in the blueprints for her future.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by hardcore_bonkie

Ya bro i agreed with you...WL r also human beings .. y some ppl dun get it... I mean if ppl look down on WL then wat abt thinking of themselves letting their clients and bosses to f them up .. To earn a living we gona learn it maybe through hardway for some might be easy... Pls dun just look things at an angle....

Sorry, i look down and despise WL of this category

Category chao cheeby WL
This category that use the emotional aspect to con not only con money but also the heart of the man. Though the man is stupid, but doesn't mean the WL is cleared of her actions.

A con man can con an old woman. Yes, the old woman might be naive to be conned. But the con man still has to be apprehended and sentenced for his crimes.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

SC, many thanx for ur concerns. i dont deny that 'my posts tend to defend the TG/WL/FL more, bt only bcos there's too much negative spread for them.
n yes i'm aware that there're WLs who'd never retire from the scene.. they ORD here.. n start new contract somewhere else, cos they have no better solution, they never found any1 who can give her a brighter future n that she can return to dry land.

it all boils down to the gal, n crucial that she knows when to say 'stop'... "enough is enough". if she's never contented.. then she can sell flesh till they get wrinkled n scarred, reconstruct the pussy over n over again etc...she'd never find fulfillment in life.

i on the other hand, despite my own sets of woes n headaches, sincerely wanna give my gal a taste of heaven, the feeling of walking on dry soil again. dun have a fool proof plan as yet.. bt it can all be sorted out.. so long as she's willing to include me in the blueprints for her future.

It's not considered a negative spread in this forum. Its the truth. Just that the truth shows the things they have did.

Let me tell you, many will have found someone who can give them a bright future. But when they count their sums, they realise that though the future looks bright, they prefer to look elsewhere to find an even brighter future.

Just like what my 2nd tirak says. Its not because you don't give, but you don't give enough.

*PS:To norigo, I have locked on target to my 7th tirak and going to start writing on this chapter again. May the dark force be with me.

SC

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Sorry, i look down and despise WL of this category

Category chao cheeby WL
This category that use the emotional aspect to con not only con money but also the heart of the man. Though the man is stupid, but doesn't mean the WL is cleared of her actions.

A con man can con an old woman. Yes, the old woman might be naive to be conned. But the con man still has to be apprehended and sentenced for his crimes.

SC

a con man can talk till the throat burst n cough blood, if the other party refuse to be con.. there's not a chance for the con man to succeed. it takes 2 hands to clap, so its all a 50-50 issue. just cos the WL initiate dun mean the man should accept.

btw, its nt just WLs that play KC, the female of the species will play KC. dog eat dog society lah. the black widow/praying mantis devoirs her mate so as to boost protein n ensure the fertility n sustainance for her offspring. at the end of the day.. if cant deal with it.. n just want bonk w/o KC.. then just go buy a blow up doll lor.. no need to go find WL/FL liao. wanna bonk how many times a day at ur own discretion n wish. the more u bonk the doll.. the more u make the value for $$ worth. can do raw.. can do CIM, every pattern u can ever imagine n need nt worry about diseases etc.

with u being the pioneer n leading the rest of the guys w/o craving for KC to bonk blow up dolls.. wanna do tarma/roast/bai-loti/DP/creampie also no complains. eventually less demand for the flesh trade, less of these "condemned" gals around, make society a better place... then congrats lor.. u've made the world a better place to live in.

really dont mean any offence la bro.. be more forgiving.. they had to do wat they had to do. its just a job, ORD liao.. then see wat happens lor

[singrakthai]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

bro, dont think too highly of 1self la. honestly, i see all of us as equals.. all of us r no different from a whore if u put it that way. in our daily course of events in our jobs, regardless of happy or not its only for the $ n for the sake of survival. though we dun physically spread legs n let others mount us, we inevitably still get the fucked feelings when we kena stab from behind, kena play out by bastards.. in fact in some cases might go as bad as kena fuck n never get paid (thats how some company wind up for that matter).

Seriously, i don't want to be long winded.. but, Sorry hor, i don't think VERY highly of myself but i don't regard myself equal as a whore...sorry hor, physically spread legs n letting any tom, dick and harry stick into her that means part of her integrity probably died long time ago. We get "fucked feelings" but it is still different then work of a whore.. u're getting very confused with urself... if u stick ur thumb into ur own asshole and goes up and down, the feeling is still different from being "fucked" by ur boss... then imagine letting another person stick his watever into ur ass... haha

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

just cos alot of us nt cabin crew dun mean we're ignorant of wats happening, cos i know there's many cabin crew that literally FL when outstationed. n no i'm nt condemning all in this line.. cos i put it to u clearly.. everyone, regardless of qualifications/career/occupation.. we're no different from a whore. n for the record, prostituition is the oldest trade since the begining of civilization...

ur statement above shows that u're standing MORE towards the point of view of a whore.. u keep on defending them.

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

n thats how it seems that i'm protecting the WL/FL, bt more importantly.. we''re all equal. noone made us any higher or lower the them. if there weren't sad fucks around..no demand for it.. then how can the flesh trade survive? wat goes around goes around.

u're still defending them...

No offense.. i think u're spending too much time with WL/FL.. which make u over sympathic towards them. Have u ever spend anytime with a NORMAL TG? Sorry hor, sisters of WL/FL don't count... if not, why do u compare WL/FL with normal TG? I raised my opinion only because u compared NORMAL people with a WL/FL... if u have a daughter, and someone says she's no different than a whore... u smile and agree?

hey... just different opinions.. not picking a fight... cheers..

[OceanEleven]

Originally Posted by hardcore_bonkie

Ya bro i agreed with you...WL r also human beings .. y some ppl dun get it... I mean if ppl look down on WL then wat abt thinking of themselves letting their clients and bosses to f them up .. To earn a living we gona learn it maybe through hardway for some might be easy... Pls dun just look things at an angle....

Honestly, it is a supply and demand issue. Men need and they willing to sell. SO as a buyer, it does not make us a class higher than they are.

[Bangkok Master]

I think all the things discussed here falls into the individuals' perspective. Although I do agreed that WLs mentality is definately different from normal girls as I had been through relationship with both(no disrespect to WLs) as they are in total different environment. It's up to the individual to look at his own situation with his tirak. I think there are no golden rule to help those with tirak avoid been conned of $ or feelings as most of the ppl who got conned are presumed willingly. No matter how well you prepare also no use cos once you are in the real situation, everything changes, so might as well leave it to natural take its causes. You see, if you're truly in love, you will be definately been blinded by the dark side and even most know that they are fighting a losing battle, they still hope for a miracle. That's why I say most of the tiraks are willing to sacrifice be it $ or feelings for the sake of LOVE.

I had found 1 song which is very suitable to all those with tiraks, read the lyrics carefully and you will know what I meant..................by the way the song name is ""kwam ruk tam hai kon dtaa bot" (True Love Makes One Blind)
by BODYSLAM. Anyway those into thai music, make sure you buy the new album Believe cos it's simply fantastic with another song "Kop Faa"(Horizon)

http://www.ethaimusic.com/lyrics/389.htm