Events In CP

[Health888]

Originally Posted by SEAJ

Great calculations!! And yes, it really isn't all that lucrative is it??

Which really makes me wonder how is it that some of these girls can have as bad an attitude as they have when they manage to get our patronage?

These girls take our money and think "Wow - a thousand (or 600) - so easy! Not even thinking what their outgoings really are! And not thinking that their days are numbered.

SEAJ

They are young. They don't think too much about savings yet.

[Allanooi]

Based on bro SEAJ and bro Adidas88 calculations make senses y the cp ktv girls so focused to kc many sugar bfs to sponsor them to supplement additional income ....

[SEAJ]

Originally Posted by mrclen

SEAJ: I agree with most of the post as to costs, but I think the expenses part is a bit high. I think I will do some more research on my next visit and try to get some more concrete facts. My .......ort their bad decisions. mrclen

Interested to know which expenses you think high.thanks
SEAJ

[SEAJ]

Originally Posted by Allanooi

Based on bro SEAJ and bro Adidas88 calculations make senses y the cp ktv girls so focused to kc many sugar bfs to sponsor them to supplement additional income ....

In fact many of them are actually living on the edge; the mommy and I also discussed this.

The fact of the matter is that many of these Ktv girls are just plain ole lazy and many just skip going to work for extended periods. They have friends to hang with, families to tend to (going back to hometowns will usually entail at least a couple weeks away from work) and too many times when the very nature of their job gets to them - they just will not go back to work.

And their expenses, these are just general expenses that most need to spend - excluding the many splurges these girls are wont to engage in; sometimes to lessen the very real emotional pain they endure, but too many times also just because they had a particularly lucrative prior night.

Having said the above though, I must still caution you guys about feeling sorry for them or worse - to try to be a knight in shining armour to lift a girl or another from their supposed hell. Lets face it, they make - and spend - way more than what regular girls who work just as hard or even harder at regular jobs, and the fact that these wg's made their own mind to work as such. There is a set price for their services and its a sucker's move to give too much extra.

Just my own POV of course

SEAJ

[myluckyguy]

my interviews/survey with 2 recent selected ktv mm gives a similar result to seaj's findings..

peninsula 3.7.10 : sitting fee to mami 70rmb; go out fee to mami 200rmb
huimei 4.8.12 : sitting fee to mami 80rmb; go out fee 200rmb

mlg

[myluckyguy]

Originally Posted by SEAJ

Interested to know which expenses you think high.thanks
SEAJ

the telephone recharge while 200rmb used is a small number on its own, if we compare this to the normal monthly mobile fees we pay at home and taking the fact that in china the mobile call costs is very low (refer to how much we spend on calls when we are there and extrapolate this to a monthly cost) 200rmb does seem high. the same can be said to every other cost item
my humble opinion only

[SEAJ]

Originally Posted by myluckyguy

the telephone recharge while 200rmb used is a small number on its own, if we compare this to the normal monthly mobile fees we pay at home and taking the fact that in china the mobile call costs is very low (refer to how much we spend on calls when we are there and extrapolate this to a monthly cost) 200rmb does seem high. the same can be said to every other cost item
my humble opinion only

Thanks!

Perhaps I should explain that the figures I put up are what the Mommy generalizes from observing the spending and earning habits of her girls. She's an old friend of mine and we were just chatting as friends do. This conversation is of course unlike those she would use on her "sales talk" to the girls - where she'd even claim one of her girls made up to 40 or 50K last month, or to clients - when trying to convince them to sit one of her girls; she'd also inflate numbers to clients just to give the impression that her girl is really hot shit AND....to hopefully discourage her clients from packaging her girls - as that means one less girl in her stable.

As far as telephone costs are concerned, they spend quite a bit calling home - which is long distance - but the use of WeChat and QQ has lessened this expense somewhat. But also note that a lot of them do NOT have computers or internet access and as such use their hand sets to get on the line. This racks up the expenses, especially when a lot of them will not sleep when doing overnights, and will just play on their phone whilst her client is asleep.

And BTW - just in case anybody interested, the following are the dates of the next Canton Trade Fair:



Phase 1 (Oct. 15-19, 2013)
Electronics & Household Electrical Appliances
Lighting Equipment | Vehicles & Spare Parts
Machinery | Hardware & Tools
Building Materials | Chemical Products International Pavilion

Phase 2
(Oct. 23-27, 2013) Consumer Goods
Home Decorations
Gifts

Phase 3 (Oct. 31-Nov. 4, 2013)
Office Supplies, Cases & Bags, and
Recreation Products | Food | Textiles & Garments | Shoes |
Medicines, Medical Devices

SEAJ

[SEAJ]

4-8-12 girl.
Going to work every day and with a client each night to either sit or go out with. Bare expenses with no splurges, or any extras:

9 days sitting fee @400 minus 90 Mommy fee = 310 X 9 = 2,790
8 Overnight fee @1,200 minus 190 Mommy fee = 1,010 X 8 = 8,080
8 Short term fee @800 minus 190 Mommy fee = 610 = 4,880
Total 15,750

Rent, utilities = 1,800
Monthly doctor check up = 300
Administration fees and fines to KTV = 400
Clothing = 2,000
Telephone charges = 300
Eating = 30 X 40 = 1,200
Make-up = 15 X 24 = 360
Hair dressing = 15 X 24 = 360
Taxis/Bicycle to go to work = 30 X 24 = 720
Total 7,440

Net 8,310

But I really think that most girls will NOT be able to have such net income every month or even for a full month – they’re mostly too lazy.

SEAJ

[mrclen]

Originally Posted by SEAJ

Interested to know which expenses you think high.thanks
SEAJ

I shouldn't really comment too much as I don't have enough facts. I will, on my next trip try to get real numbers from where I normally go. If I am lucky, I'll get numbers from my regular and her mommy, plus my friend who owns the hotel. Armed with the most facts I am able to glean from what I am told, I'll try to comment more knowledgeable.

In general, my regular pays 1000 RMB per month for her place and as far as I know, lives alone. Many of the other girls in the KTV share apartments and so that cost is less on a per person basis. Most of them do not go to the hair salon every day, they kind of work together on each other in the KTV's that provide a space good enough to do it in. In my hotel, the hotel owner provides a big room for the girls with couches, big screen TV, makeup tables, mirrors, etc. He tends to keep his girls with the better environment for them. Some of the KTV's waiting rooms for the girls are no better than a broom closet, or so I am told. Their main issue is they cannot handle the money they make and think what they have between their legs is a money factory that will last forever. My POV only. mrclen

PS: I'm sorry we did not get to meet each other on my last trip to CP. I hope to rectify that on my next trip.

[sex crusader]

Lol..with all the gurus providing indepth analysis of the mm's spending and earnings , I bet in no time the mm's price will get inflated again.

[SEAJ]

Originally Posted by sex crusader

Lol..with all the gurus providing indepth analysis of the mm's spending and earnings , I bet in no time the mm's price will get inflated again.

Lol! You may very well be prescient!

They'll seize upon any pretext and excuse to raise prices.... And give less of themselves in the process.

SEAJ

[SEAJ]

Originally Posted by mrclen

I'll get numbers from my regular and her mommy, plus my friend who owns the hotel. Armed with the most facts I am able to glean from what I am told, I'll try to comment more knowledgeable.

In general, my regular pays 1000 RMB per month for her place and .......... My POV only. mrclen

PS: I'm sorry we did not get to meet each other on my last trip to CP. I hope to rectify that on my next trip.

You're probably correct in your analysis, but the problem is that these girls really ain't no geniuses and certainly not immune to peer pressure....of which I can reasonably guess is quite high amongst these village girls...especially when it involves material goods.

Whilst some may be more sensible, others would want to show off materially - just to validate their supposed greater earning power=their greater beauty=their superiority to their peers. And that's where they lose control over their spending. And whilst they may at first be satisfied with living in hovels - which happens to already be way-better than their living conditions at home - soon enough they'll start putting on pressure on themselves to upgrade...just to keep up with the Joneses. And besides which - whats a few hundred more a whole MONTH..."when I can make such just by sitting with a sucker, letting him sniff my nooky all night!"

On top of that, they're prone to thinking - "Heck - what's 15 bucks to do my hair. Saves me all the hassle and time which I can spend doing better things (usually..... sleeping .....!! LOL), plus I'll look zillion times better and will have a better chance of getting picked tonight." The same thing with their make-up and also the almost obligatory false eye-lashes - which adds on another 10 to their daily expenses.

Thanks for your input.

SEAJ

[prcsytlover]

Originally Posted by sex crusader

Lol..with all the gurus providing indepth analysis of the mm's spending and earnings , I bet in no time the mm's price will get inflated again.

No lah.. its the singaporeans and malaysian who push up the prices lah.. so many carrot head form these 2 olace..

throw rmb at gals and if rmb is not rmb.. haiz..

before dun know when n when.. when only hkie and taiwanese is around the prices is so much cheaper and better services.

its all singaporeans n malaysian fault.. dun u agree.. haha

oh pls sparw a thought for us normal punters... haha

sorry hor. These are not my words. Just taking content out of some horse mouth. Haha.

[myluckyguy]

Originally Posted by sex crusader

Lol..with all the gurus providing indepth analysis of the mm's spending and earnings , I bet in no time the mm's price will get inflated again.

While we analyse the service provider's costs, we have to keep in mind the other costs contributing to the escalating inflation is the middleman's lucrative cut. The increases in SN fees, BBS costs is particularly noticeable in CP. I shall not say too much to avoid offending any advertisers or their supporters here. Again only my humble POV without offense..

[guy88852]

Originally Posted by SEAJ

4-8-12 girl.
Going to work every day and with a client each night to either sit or go out with. Bare expenses with no splurges, or any extras:

9 days sitting fee @400 minus 90 Mommy fee = 310 X 9 = 2,790
8 Overnight fee @1,200 minus 190 Mommy fee = 1,010 X 8 = 8,080
8 Short term fee @800 minus 190 Mommy fee = 610 = 4,880
Total 15,750

Rent, utilities = 1,800
Monthly doctor check up = 300
Administration fees and fines to KTV = 400
Clothing = 2,000
Telephone charges = 300
Eating = 30 X 40 = 1,200
Make-up = 15 X 24 = 360
Hair dressing = 15 X 24 = 360
Taxis/Bicycle to go to work = 30 X 24 = 720
Total 7,440

Net 8,310

But I really think that most girls will NOT be able to have such net income every month or even for a full month – they’re mostly too lazy.

SEAJ

Originally Posted by adidas88

wow ... let's do a straight sum here ...
forget abt the one-time entrance fee 900-1200rmb ... assume she's a permanent staff ... 3 6 10 rate ...
mthly subscription 300rmb
mthly rental and utilities 1500rmb
own cloths and cosmetics 1500rmb
telephone recharge 200rmb
hair blow (20days) 300rmb
make-up (20days) 300rmb
transport (20days) 600rmb
food (30days) 1500rmb
total expenses per mth 6200rmb divide by 30 days = 206rmb per day ..

assume 20days of work ...
10 days ON (1000x10) = 10000rmb
10 days sitting (300x10) = 3000rmb
total collection 13000rmb
deduct 170 x 10 days = 1700rmb
deduct 70 x 10 days = 700rmb
total deduction to mommy 2400rmb
balance 10600rmb ....
expenses 6200rmb
left over 4400rmb per mth

IMHO .... not a very lucrative job ...

You guys forgot to add the XLG expenses too